Uh...  So it's "fixing" if we go into a country and wipe out the only sort of stability it has?  It's like some other country coming in, ending democracy, and saying "There you go, your on your own!"

I am opposed to gay marriage because of the reason that why do you need to have it official?  You can live together, share bills, ect. without being married!  Also, if you allow this exception, they will begin fighting for more rights for jobs, which will put straight people at a disadvantage if gays have more rights for jobs... This is just the start of a battle between gays and straights if their is approved gay marriage.

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You really should do your research before you go running your mouth! The average American creates 17x more waste than the average citizen of Mexico

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divorce (correct me if I'm wrong on that, etc.)

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"When a man takes a woman and marries her, if she finds no favor in his eyes, then he shall write her a bill of divorcement and send her out of his house."

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I am opposed to gay marriage because of the reason that why do you need to have it official?  You can live together, share bills, ect. without being married!

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People want to get married because it is a symbol of their love and dedication to each other. To form a social unit, form the foundation for a household, and maybe eventually a family... the same reasons why straight people want to get married. According to your logic, you'll never get married. Why would you need to? There's no real point anyways, right?

Just because you don't want to get married, doesn't mean the rest of us don't want to, either. But then again, you do want to get married, don't you? I feel that homosexual couples should get the same rights as heterosexual couples. No more, no less. Right now, they are being denied a fundamental right, and that is to form the moral, legal, and social bond tying together two loving people, regardless of gender.

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Also, if you allow this exception, they will begin fighting for more rights for jobs, which will put straight people at a disadvantage if gays have more rights for jobs...

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Care to elaborate? In what way will being married effect job oppourtunities? Last time I checked, being married wasn't a prerequisite for most occupations.

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This is just the start of a battle between gays and straights if their is approved gay marriage.

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Only perpetuated by stupid cunts like yourself who can't accept the fact that someone different from them wants equal treatment. Years from now, people are going to look back at this time and be ashamed of people like you. You think you're doing what's best for the community, but you are (unintentionally?) spreading hate. Congrats.

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Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 6:16 pm on June 6, 2006
Can anyone come up with a real reason to oppose same-sex marriage rights, other than 'it's icky'?

Something concrete, with facts behind it, as opposed to hypotheses and hysteria?

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Marriage in itself is a religious ceremony. Not purely Christian, but other religions marry as well. It's unconstitutional, as it infringes on our freedom of religion, to refuse a couple the ability to carry out the marriage ceremony and things along with it in a religious fashion.  

(Edited by Birdo at 3:04 am on June 8, 2006)

(Edited by Birdo at 3:05 am on June 8, 2006)

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Something concrete, with facts behind it, as opposed to hypotheses and hysteria?
Financial reasons. When people get married/have a civil union, they get some sort of tax reduction, I'm not sure to what extent so if someone else could shed light on the subject it would be appreciated. If the government had to respect the civil-unions of same sex couples, they'd also have to grant them the same tax benefits. If they were granted the same tax benefits, any two people of the same gender that live together could claim each other on their taxes and the states and the coutry would be screwed out of tax dollars that would need to be had from other sources, i.e. an increase in sales/income/property tax. As far as I know, so correct me if I'm wrong, it's not written in any law that states MUST deny these benefits to same-sex civil-unions, but they do so anyways.

Marriage in itself is a religious ceremony. Not purely Christian, but other religions marry as well. It's unconstitutional, as it infringes on our freedom of religion, to refuse a couple the ability to carry out the marriage ceremony and things along with it in a religious fashion.  

(Edited by Birdo at 3:04 am on June 8, 2006)

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Interesting point.  Here, where the social cons want to turn back the clock and re-ban same-sex marriage, their argument is that civil unions would be fine, so that everyone is treated equally under tax law, succession law, hospital visitation rights, etc.  Their main bugaboo is keeping the word "marriage" for straight couples.  I didn't realize that the U.S. SSM debate was hung up on financial issues - all the rhetoric against it seems to be faith-based.

I see your point re: straight roommates of the same sex claiming themselves to be a couple and thereby cheating on their taxes.  I guess the question is - how often do mixed-gender roommates do this?  And wouldn't same-sex marriage make it *easier* on the authorities to determine who gets the tax break, rather than harder?  

And I guess the obvious question is... why should a gay couple pay more taxes than a straight couple?  I mean, that's straightforward financial discrimination, and should be a much easier question to answer than the question of who gets to use the word "married".

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Quote: from Birdo at 7:00 am on June 8, 2006Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 6:16 pm on June 6, 2006  
 Can anyone come up with a real reason to oppose same-sex marriage rights, other than 'it's icky'?  

 
 Something concrete, with facts behind it, as opposed to hypotheses and hysteria?  
 Financial reasons. When people get married/have a civil union, they get some sort of tax reduction, I'm not sure to what extent so if someone else could shed light on the subject it would be appreciated. If the government had to respect the civil-unions of same sex couples, they'd also have to grant them the same tax benefits. If they were granted the same tax benefits, any two people of the same gender that live together could claim each other on their taxes and the states and the coutry would be screwed out of tax dollars that would need to be had from other sources, i.e. an increase in sales/income/property tax. As far as I know, so correct me if I'm wrong, it's not written in any law that states MUST deny these benefits to same-sex civil-unions, but they do so anyways.  

 Marriage in itself is a religious ceremony. Not purely Christian, but other religions marry as well. It's unconstitutional, as it infringes on our freedom of religion, to refuse a couple the ability to carry out the marriage ceremony and things along with it in a religious fashion.    

 (Edited by Birdo at 3:04 am on June 8, 2006)  

(Edited by Birdo at 3:05 am on June 8, 2006)

Interesting point.  Here, where the social cons want to turn back the clock and re-ban same-sex marriage, their argument is that civil unions would be fine, so that everyone is treated equally under tax law, succession law, hospital visitation rights, etc.  Their main bugaboo is keeping the word "marriage" for straight couples.  I didn't realize that the U.S. SSM debate was hung up on financial issues - all the rhetoric against it seems to be faith-based.

I see your point re: straight roommates of the same sex claiming themselves to be a couple and thereby cheating on their taxes.  I guess the question is - how often do mixed-gender roommates do this?  And wouldn't same-sex marriage make it *easier* on the authorities to determine who gets the tax break, rather than harder?    

And I guess the obvious question is... why should a gay couple pay more taxes than a straight couple?  I mean, that's straightforward financial discrimination, and should be a much easier question to answer than the question of who gets to use the word "married".

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Also, consider the fact that Dick Cheney's very own daughter is a lesbian! Can you say hypocritial?

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I'm a Christian so I'm against gay marriage (but that's a totally different topic), but I think if the government is supposed to be neutral, then what's wrong with gay marriage? Things that atheists/Christians/whatever agree are wrong should get top priority or we're going to have a mess. We can work on converting you guys later. =)

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lolol i think bush shud go away coz no onwe likes him and he try and bomb the little starving kyds.

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Not that I'm pro Cheney, believe me.

The point is, homosexuality is not a sexual fetish. If you remove sex entirely, it is about who you fall in love with. You an not outlaw it because of religion; if we are to have a fair government, it is to be a logical choice to forbid an entire segment of the population to be married. And I have yet to see one logical argument against it.

Ok, if you feel so bad for the homeless or unemployed, why don't you take some affirmative action and do something about it? I'm sure someone quite as intelligent (/sarcasm) as yourself could think of something. Besides, most homeless/unemployed people have done previous things that have put them to be in the situation they're in.

Like someone else said, drugs have been around for years. There isn't anything you can do about them either.

The war: He's a president. He is supposed to fight for our country. He's doing the best he can, and if you don't believe it, why don't you think of something better, more logical, and propose it to the nation and see how it slides over.

Health care: Baby we have the best health care in the world, besides a few other places like Canada, so I suggest you better be thanking your lucky stars and rethinking your argument.

NATURAL resources: NATURAL. Not man-made. NOT man-fixed.

Crime: what more can we do? please, tell me. I need to know.

Just because Dick Cheney's daughter(s) is a lesbian doesn't mean that Bush should make same sex marriage legal. Thats like saying just because you're white he should make all white people first in line. It isn't hypocritical. The VP doesn't have much say in the long run anyways.

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Financial reasons.....increase in sales/income/property tax.

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What's stopping straight people from doing this as well?

Hint: nothing. It's not a problem with straights, why would it be a problem with gays?

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Marriage in itself is a religious ceremony. Not purely Christian, but other religions marry as well. It's unconstitutional, as it infringes on our freedom of religion, to refuse a couple the ability to carry out the marriage ceremony and things along with it in a religious fashion.

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Thus the obvious, simplest and best solution would be get gov't completely out of marriage.

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Gas prices? Are you HONESTLY blaming this on Bush? It is not his fault, and he really can't do anything about it either.[/quote

Not entirely correct. Gas prices weren't this high before Bush's little Middle East Adventure. While it isn't his fault for the most part, he does share some of the blame as his actions have seriously unsettled oil traders.  

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The war: He's a president. He is supposed to fight for our country. He's doing the best he can, and if you don't believe it, why don't you think of something better, more logical, and propose it to the nation and see how it slides over.

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