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Religious people are generally stupider but happier.
Replies: 82Last Post Jan. 8, 2007 12:31pm by Wilder
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I agree with statement A 19 17%
I agree with statement B 21 19%
I agree with statements A and B 35 32%
I agree with neither statement A nor B 33 30%
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I have been thinking about this for a long time. I have come to the conclusion that the more intelligent someone is, the less happy they are likely to be, and the more likely they are to refute religion. Conversely, the stupider one is, the more likely they are to be happy and accept religion. This lead me to the following two statements regarding intelligence.

Statement A: As intelligence increases, happiness decreases.

Statement B: As intelligence increases, religiousness decreases.


What do you think of this?

Flaming is not welcome. I don't care if you disagree. You are free to do so, just don't post a long rant about if I'm going to hell or not, I frankly don't care.

In short, do you agree with one of these? Both? I believe that both are true.

PS: I know there are anomalies, this is a generalization. I feel that this is a pretty solid picture of what people are in general.

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I would almost agree with you, and yet, I'd like to think of myself as substantially intelligent, but I'm still religious and relatively happy. Certainly not as happy as if I didn't know some things, but I'm not really sad.

If I were asked, "Does ignorance equal bliss?" I would agree, if that helps answer your question.

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I misread them and chose the final option, but I actually agree with statement A, but not B.

With statement A, there are more things to worry about (because you know about them), and smaller things seem bigger because you know more about them.

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I have to disagree with both.

While they may be true on a large scale, I doubt they could be proven. I'm assuming we're talking all theoretically here, though.

There are many intelligent religious and intelligent non-religious people. Likewise, there are many unintelligent religious and unintelligent non-religious people. Same goes for happiness.

I really don't think you can link intelligence to "degree of religiousness." I know it's a commonly held belief that religious people are dumb, but seriously, come on. My beliefs about the nature of reality and the existence of a God have nothing to do with how intelligent I am.

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Quote: from PHo at 7:53 pm on Oct. 29, 2006


If I were asked, "Does ignorance equal bliss?" I would agree, if that helps answer your question.

This statement assuredly backs up my statements. Obviously, in intelligence, I lumped in knowledge in general. One who knows much is intelligent. One who knows little is stupid. If you reduced it all down to the basics, I suppose my question could be: is the world good or bad? Because as I see it, the more you know about the state of affairs in the world, the more likely you are to be disheartened by it. That is my BASIC preposition.

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Quote: from IamNotBritish at 7:56 pm on Oct. 29, 2006

While they may be true on a large scale, I doubt they could be proven. I'm assuming we're talking all theoretically here, though.


We were talking generally. As in, populations as a whole tend to display the following trends, not any one person. Of course there will be happy geniuses, and unhappy religiods, and anywhere on the spectrum. I presume that if one were to plot each person's data it would form a line following those trends.

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Are you religious, because you spelled stupider wrong.

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Quote: from sexyboy13 at 8:26 pm on Oct. 29, 2006

Are you religious, because you spelled stupider wrong.

Haha, where?

EDIT: I found it. Google spellcheck failed me on that one. I'd have used te normal one, but it doesn't cover the topic title. Thanks for that. Haha.

Post edited at 6:45 pm on Oct. 29, 2006 by Khadgar

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Ignorance is bliss. I agree with your statements generally.  

Intelligent people are not satisfied with simple pleasures. "Better to a Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied" (J.S. Mill I believe)

EDIT: There is also a negative correlelation between religiousness and income (ie, high income, less religious).

Post edited at 6:47 pm on Oct. 29, 2006 by thrive in bliss

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Well, I'm sure you're aware of the response that immediately comes to mind from me. It is in my signature, after all/

Past that, looking purely at statics and correlations, not determinism, one is much more likely to be an ignorant (though not necessarily stupid) religious person than vice-versa; it's simply how demographics (largely based on economics) pan out. So I'd say that your correlations probably exist to a slight degree, but not necessarily because of the natures of intelligence or religion.

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I disagree. I know many very religious people who are extremely intelligent. In my opinion, while I was out having sex with my boyfriend, they were in learning about live, about how to live in a world full of things they do not believe in.

I'm by no means stupid, but I know a lot of the time I spent being a kid and indulging myself in some fun, could have been spent learning. Either for school or for life. I was in no way prepared for the "evils" out there when I graduated. I know they're there now, but I'm not bothered by them anymore.

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Quote: from Wilder at 9:18 pm on Oct. 29, 2006

Past that, looking purely at statics and correlations, not determinism, one is much more likely to be an ignorant (though not necessarily stupid) religious person than vice-versa; it's simply how demographics (largely based on economics) pan out. So I'd say that your correlations probably exist to a slight degree, but not necessarily because of the natures of intelligence or religion.

Oh? So you admit that there may be some sort of correlation, but deny that there is a cause? Interesting. And yes, in fact, I did make that silly error again, lumping in most religions with christianity. In fact, I did mean Christianity, but I also meant MOST other religions, including but not limited to any organized religion with beliefs in a god, life after death, creation of the universe, karma or related things, or any form of moral laws.

Oh, and yes I did partially mean awareness in my definition of intelligence. One who, say, doesn't know nor care to know about a raging moose stampede in his backyard cannot really be intelligent... can he? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he's the smarter one for trying to ignore all the worlds evils, in order to behcome happier, because happiness is truely a worth goal. Maybe not. I'm split on that.

Quote: from Larien at 9:45 pm on Oct. 29, 2006


I disagree. I know many very religious people who are extremely intelligent.
So do I. This was a generalization. Perhaps it would be better to not think of my preposition as "If I were to think of one highly religious person that I know, are they smart or not?" but rather more of a question about rationale behind one who is an Atheist or vica versa, As in: I believe in god. Bob does not. Bob is smarter than me/stupider than me. Or: I am quite intelligent. I would say I am happier than average/less happy than the average person.

And go from there. Maybe. But I never said that one cannot be anywhere on these grids, as it is a fact that some of the smartest people I know are religious. It is also a fact that some of the stupidest people I know are religious. I only felt that this was a general trend, not a set of constraining rules.

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Stupider isn't a word.

I disagree. I'm religious and think of myself as a some-what intelligent person. You must also describe 'stupid' as far as this topic goes. Do you mean that a highly religious person can't get a job as a doctor? Or do you mean a highly religious person can't figure out how to unfreeze a computer?

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Personally, I think there are too many exceptions for either to be a rule. I mean, there are some cases where there are a few exceptions, but not enough to break the generalization, but this is not one of those cases.

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i wouldn't say that is a rule but it is generaly the case
i mean look at einstein he was one of the smarter men of our time and he was extremely religious but he had a redefined way of looking at religion

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