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Absolute zero
Replies: 52Last Post Nov. 26, 2006 8:42am by Stacker
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Quote: from TheUnrealSlimShady at 7:31 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

They wouldn't live indefinitely.

Not at all...

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Quote: from Iraqi at 2:34 pm on Nov. 5, 2006

Quote: from TheUnrealSlimShady at 7:33 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

Quote: from Iraqi at 7:32 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

Quote: from me me at 7:30 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

yeh i no that stuff so its not very advanced...    
   and az is 273degrees here

   

  That's -273 Kelvin.


 

 You mean Celsius, buddy.  

 0 Kelvin is absolute zero.


 


No, I mean kelvin.  I'm telling him that where he lives, absolute zero is -273 kelvin, since he seems to believe it changes from location from location.  It was sarcasm.


well as u use degrees f and we use degrees celius it does change, and also see how below post post it says my details, well in there its says IM FEMALE!!!

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Quote: from Stacker at 7:36 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

If you could somehow freeze a human or whatever fast enough, like super fast, idk, maybe in the future? a Laser with ultra chilled ions

It still wouldn't work alone. Freezing causes ice formation which damages cells.

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Quote: from ominousmusic at 8:42 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

Quote: from Stacker at 7:36 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

If you could somehow freeze a human or whatever fast enough, like super fast, idk, maybe in the future? a Laser with ultra chilled ions
 
It still wouldn't work alone. Freezing causes ice formation which damages cells.


which is what I said but you said it faster

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Ions are considered to have a state of their own, too, I do believe.

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It's impossible to get matter as cold as absolute zero because that temperature implies zero energy, meaning zero matter.

And there's sixteen, not seven, states of matter.

Lastly "superconductivity" is a property, not a state. And the highest critical temperature for oen type of superconductor is 39 K.

BUT apart from that, you're right.

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but no system can ever reach absolute zero. And that be pretty fucking cold,

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Quote: from ominousmusic at 10:42 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

Quote: from Stacker at 7:36 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

If you could somehow freeze a human or whatever fast enough, like super fast, idk, maybe in the future? a Laser with ultra chilled ions

It still wouldn't work alone. Freezing causes ice formation which damages cells.


if somehow, maybe someday in the future, you could freezae them so fast, you could hit AB zero and everything ewould stop, no time for ice, maybe, hmmm

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It would have to be instant freeze so body doesn't die during freeze process.  But i get the idea.  Now we need a test subject...

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Quote: from myystic at 9:00 pm on Nov. 4, 2006

Ions are considerede to have a state of their own, too, I do believe.

It is called plasma...

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Even if you froze someone instantly the water in their cells would convert to ice and burst the cells - or cause irreversible damage to those cells.

^that only applies if time is infinitely divisible. If time has a quantum unit, then you could literally freeze someone in one unit of Planck time, then they would be in a static state.

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Quote: from rchaneberg at 2:53 pm on Nov. 6, 2006

Even if you froze someone instantly the water in their cells would convert to ice and burst the cells - or cause irreversible damage to those cells.

^that only applies if time is infinitely divisible. If time has a quantum unit, then you could literally freeze someone in one unit of Planck time, then they would be in a static state.


no, becasue all motion is stoped, nothing decays, nothing moves

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If you could get matter down to absolute zero (which is impossible) then you would have to do it fairly close to 1 Planck time in order for no damaging effects to occur. rchaneberg  is exactly right.

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No, like I said if it literally happened instantly you would not have cellular ruptures.

However, because H2O Bonds differently below the feezing  point, it forces the molecules apart if there is any time at all for the molecules to move.

Plus they would still die as soon as they started warming up from 0 Kelvins, so you would have to heat them to Average body temp instantly also to keep them alive.

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Right, so until somebody finds a way to freeze and unfreeze a person instantly this whole "absolute zero" idea would just kill somebody. It is a rather interesting concept though. To think there is even a theoretical temperature where motion stops. So if all motion stops at 0 K, does that mean it freezes time (pardon the pun)? Well, if you consider time as objective to the observer of the time passing, and nobody felt time passing then yes, but if you see time as going on with or without human thought then no. Another interesting concept. I love theoretical stuff.

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