As intrigued as I am, I know that most people would rather not acknowledge the fact that there's people other than us.

While it makes sense that there WOULD be, considering the infinite size of the universe, it's extremely hard to put your mind around the possibility of there being something else in the universe.

It makes complete sense to me, to keep the whole thing hidden.

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None of it even comes close to slightly reliable, let alone proof.

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You didn't even check out the links, or actually read the post, huh?

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Actually, I DID read the post. And all it is is a bunch of possible sightings, that can easily be mistaken for something they are not- hence the term Unidentified Flying Object. "UFO" does not mean "alien spacecraft" like you seem to think it does.

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Also, the radar example. Plus the example I gave up Edmund Halley, and the testimony of another famous scientist, Werner Von Braun. People like that (rocketeers and famous astronauts) do not spill shit out of their mouth without near certainty of what they are saying. Check out the links for yourself. Persons affilliated with NASA, the CIA, and more would not be coming forward to try to expose a supposed conspiracy if it was all space junk, as you say. It would be fairly easy to discern an astroid from a metallic spacecraft on radar, as there would be quite an heavy impact (few of these sightings were in space compared to on the ground). You might have skimmed my post, but you clearly missed a lot of it, and are dismissing it as blabber because you have probably never really seen reliable testimony from people who have everything to lose by spreading misinformation (whether intentionally or unintentionally), so you are pissing away my post without properly refuting the evidence. Either view the links, and read the entire post (As I previously stated, it is clear that you did not, because you missed out on many examples that do not apply to your little idea), or I will ignore you, just as I did blackadder. Your holier-than-thou mindset of that "since there is a lot of bullshit floating around this area, all of it must be nonsense" prevents you from actually forming an intelligent opinion on the issue I have presented.

So, if you do not get your act together, I will take the advice of your signiature, and ignore you. Pissing away my post without actually refuting the evidence is disrespectful, and retarded.

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I'm gonna have to say, if aliens landed tommorow, even to say that they were starting a nuclear war with our planet-it would make my day. I would easily stowaway on those ships...o my god how cool would that be...

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I personally don't see why it couldn't be possible for aliens to exist and believe that it is very arrogant of us to believe that we are the only life form to exist within the universe. HOWEVER if it was announced by the government and proven that in fact aliens do exist and will be visiting us - i have to admit that with the public image and media surrounding aliens (movie/TV shows etc) id be kinda freaked out!!

Furthermore one possible theory for them visiting -   they are simple observing us - if we found another life form the first thing we would do would be study it.

Another important person to add to the list (sorry if you've already mentioned it) is Admiral R.H. Hillenkoetter - director of the CIA - -

Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel.

Furthermore US Navy Pilot, Frederick Fox
Publication JANAP 146E has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept.

Asides from that i think your argument is strong and shows a lot of evidence and i agree that it is a strong possibility that the government is keeping it all under wraps but in saying that i could just be watching too much x-files lol

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2) Any notions of what spacecraft might look like are influenced by our own knowlege, and in particular sci-fi. Any ship advanced enough to reach us for non-colonization purposes has zero contraints on what it would look like, so saying they "looked like spaceships" actually FAVORS my position- because that means it's more likely to be fake. Fake doesn't neccesarily mean that someone purposely faked it, it can also mean that someone saw something and misinterpreted what they saw. Hardly an unusual occurence, and all the more likely in an unfamiliar environment.

3) Once again, UFO = Unidentified Flying Object, NOT alien spacecraft (assuming such a thing is the means of travel that would be used by such).

Overall, your OWN arguments actually argue against your position.

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Perhaps just some sci fi 'UFO's' have a bit of basis on sightings? The zero constraint idea is true, as are the constraints for the formation of life, to a certain degree. The different the makeup of a race's home planet, and the home planet's history, the greater difference in their makeup from ours. Therefore, if the planet is somewhat similar to Earth, depending on the circumstances, the race may have some similarities to humans, as well as spacecraft that actually resemble some sort of transport module. I guess one would have to take into account advanced genetic modifcation, too. Just because some sightings are indeed fake, does not mean that the bulk of them are. I also do not tend to think that reliable persons go up and testify about what they saw- especially when they subject is ridiculed, if they believed that there was even a ghost of a chance that it was space junk, or something.

My argument does not favor your position, because I am not looking into the finest details. I mean, I could offer a variety of reasons why they do not cloak their ships, but they could be right or wrong. First, their propulsion systems emit raditation, which is impossible to mask because it can propel the craft to an ultra high speed. Second, because it is not a big deal, as they do not intend to make themselves explicitly known (as it seems), and they are in no danger of being shot down. Again, this is not an argument, these are just a few examples that I have put down, just as you have. Just because everything that I have explained is not 'completely unimaginable" does not mean it is fake, at all. It means that it is likely that whatever race uses these vehicles has some similarities to ours. You had something to say that did not contain copious amount of stupidity, so I responded this time.

To everyone, I apologize for getting to this so late, I have been quite busy.  More posts about the evidence and the post in general would be greatly appreciated.

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My whole point is that, anyone sighting a UFO and assuming it to be of extraterrestial nature is going to have a biased viewpoint of what such would look like.

Sci-fi is influenced by many things, among them the current state, pace, and nature of technology, but I think most of all speculation.

I also need to add in a piece about psychology here- It's well known that if someone is looking for someone, what they see is going to be heavily biased in favor of that.

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