Post edited at 2:03 pm on Nov. 3, 2006 by old american century

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Counterculture has likely always existed, and most likely always will.

edit: You Canadians sure are something else.

Post edited at 2:46 pm on Nov. 3, 2006 by old american century

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And, old american century, there really was no revolution, per-say.  You could say that they attempted, but when I look around today, I don't see peace and free-love all around me.  A counter-culture will always exist, unless our world falls to some fascist tyrant, but we have yet to see an actual revolution.

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From where I'm seated, it's alive and thriving, right outside my door.

Counterculture has likely always existed, and most likely always will.

edit: You Canadians sure are something else.

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Read the book 'The Rebel Sell'. Counter culture is not a seperate entity it is the culture. You have a lot to learn.

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And, old american century, there really was no revolution, per-say.

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Quote: from Blacksummer at 4:35 pm on Nov. 3, 2006

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Read the book 'The Rebel Sell'. Counter culture is not a seperate entity it is the culture. You have a lot to learn.

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From what I've read, the authors are making arguments based on the premise that counterculture trends have, and do fail.  I disagree with the premise, because I witness the counterculture everyday; it hasn't failed yet.

Also, from what I understand, the argument that follows is that the counterculture movements fail because they become commercialized and capitalized, later making them a part of mainstream culture?  Am I correct?  If one believes this to be so, then I have different ideas re: what exactly the counterculture is and what exactly it is trying to achieve.

I don't believe counterculture trends fail once they are capitalized; if mainstream culture adopts the sentiments of the counterculture, the counterculture has succeeded.  It's also important to note that just because the mainstream culture hasn't adopted counterculture beliefs, that doesn't mean the counterculture movement has necessarily failed.

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White Rabbit is one of the most culturally iconic anthems of the counterculture revolution.  I'm offended that you have degenerated it's gravity-- a la inferring that so few of the TA&SA members are not sufficiently erudite re: the drug culture-- by offering a shiny star to the people who can name the band, considering all responsible users (and abusers) should know this song (by heart).  This leads me to believe you are: too young to have realized, or considered, the significance this song has had over the last half century; naive to the sociopolitical cultural networking apropos of the drug community; too new to be aware of the sui generis & learned members of this detrital forum; or an ostentatious, pretentious, haughty spirit.

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shut the fuck up first of all wtf are you talking about and secondly i am a student studying journalism and i plan on becoming a music  journalist. jefferson airplane is one of my favourite bands and... for fucks sake i was just joking around... jesus christ dont take sh!t so seriously or i'll have to ro sham bo you.

Post edited at 6:33 pm on Nov. 5, 2006 by TheyCallMeDrLove

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Quote: from Miss Maggie at 3:02 pm on Nov. 3, 2006

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And, old american century, there really was no revolution, per-say.

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The revolution is still happening today, merely covert (imo).

 
Quote: from Blacksummer at 4:35 pm on Nov. 3, 2006

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Read the book 'The Rebel Sell'. Counter culture is not a seperate entity it is the culture. You have a lot to learn.

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Do you plan on having an argument or just exchanging claims?  I'm fine with either.

From what I've read, the authors are making arguments based on the premise that counterculture trends have, and do fail.  I disagree with the premise, because I witness the counterculture everyday; it hasn't failed yet.

Also, from what I understand, the argument that follows is that the counterculture movements fail because they become commercialized and capitalized, later making them a part of mainstream culture?  Am I correct?  If one believes this to be so, then I have different ideas re: what exactly the counterculture is and what exactly it is trying to achieve.

I don't believe counterculture trends fail once they are capitalized; if mainstream culture adopts the sentiments of the counterculture, the counterculture has succeeded.  It's also important to note that just because the mainstream culture hasn't adopted counterculture beliefs, that doesn't mean the counterculture movement has necessarily failed.

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Your still thinking of it as two seperate things. The counterculture movements is a movement of the culture as a whole. This is why people who think they can fuck the system can't fuck the system, they are their own enemy. It's a vicious circle. /tired.

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if mainstream culture adopts the sentiments of the counterculture, the counterculture has succeeded.

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So this so called 'counterculture' does nothing at all. Nothing gets done. All those riots and all those anti-ads shit is a bunch of failure in a tight little ball.

Just rebuttle me again so I can clear my shit up.

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Your still thinking of it as two seperate things.

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The counterculture movements is a movement of the culture as a whole.

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This is why people who think they can fuck the system can't fuck the system, they are their own enemy. It's a vicious circle. /tired.

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*I'm not looking to persuade anyone; these are my opinions.

Post edited at 10:40 pm on Nov. 5, 2006 by old american century

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if mainstream culture adopts the sentiments of the counterculture, the counterculture has succeeded.

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So this so called 'counterculture' does nothing at all. Nothing gets done.  

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All those riots and all those anti-ads shit is a bunch of failure in a tight little ball.  

Just rebuttle me again so I can clear my shit up.

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*These are my opinions.  I believe there are many countercultures, not one.

Post edited at 10:42 pm on Nov. 5, 2006 by old american century

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