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'They' as the gender-neutral singular pronoun |
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Replies: 48 Last Post April 22, 2007 1:14pm by Babiilnc
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haggardgirl
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Prescriptivist grammarians, or anyone that thinks about the subject for more than a moment would likely disagree with you. I, however, don't necessarily. I think the way the language has evolved is just as important a determinant to what it should become (syntax-wise).
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Quote: from porcelain at 12:35 am on Sep. 27, 2006
No. It just doesn't sound right whne you use it as one. gender-neutral plural pronoun.. yes. Not singular, though. If I'm not understanding the point of your post, sorry. 
I messed up the word. I mean the context of, "They have a book." Instead of, "He/she has a book." Language evolves so much!! Think about how we've moved from "Ich am the bit withe grammyre," (pretend I spelled all of that right) to "I am the best with grammar." (Either way, I am not. I am far from it.) Both are English. The first is hardly understandable without some thought.
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'They' is plural, which must be given a specific context beforehand, in order to determine if it is gender specific. Other languages, like Spanish, for example, resolves this issue, as there exists gender specific, plural nouns, etc: ellas versus ellos. But I'm merely stating the facts. English is actually one of the few languages that do not have a masculine and feminine feature. There's a reason why 'they' is plural; it would be hard to substitute anything else (as part of the English language). Edit: Thus, I disagree. Forgot to mention this! Post edited at 10:00 pm on Sep. 26, 2006 by anonymousss
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I think it's fine for livewire, but, things such as essays, and published writings... it seems inappropriate and unacceptable.
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Quote: from anonymousss at 12:54 am on Sep. 27, 2006
'They' is plural, which must be given a specific context beforehand, in order to determine if it is gender specific. Other languages, like Spanish, for example, resolves this issue, as there exists gender specific, plural nouns, etc: ellas versus ellos. But I'm merely stating the facts. English is actually one of the few languages that do not have a masculine and feminine feature. Edit: Thus, I disagree. Forgot to mention this! 
Bad grammar -> accepted usage -> grammatical ^ How linguistic evolution works (for some things) ^ How would you feel (for the sake of debate) if in 15-20 years, it became grammatical? It's obviously in the "accepted usage" stage, as one hears it all the time, especially when anonymity is wanted.
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Whether or not it is grammatically correct it's still used.
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Quote: from anonymousss at 11:40 am on Sep. 27, 2006
Quote: from Spasty at 1:04 am on Sep. 27, 2006
How would you feel . . . if in 15-20 years, it became grammatical? 
Well, for one, I would think the world has gone insane. And if it would indeed, ever to happen, it would not be after a mere 20 years, lest for slang. 
But, as noted in the original post, I'm fairly sure that Harvard accepts it as grammatical.
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Quote: from anonymousss at 4:32 pm on Sep. 27, 2006
Aside that it is one school, you're "fairly sure"? I'm sorry, but I would need something more concrete than your assurance. 
I will contact my friend who is an English major there. Sure, one school, but it is rather prestigious. EDIT: I just realized that I haven't a way to contact him. If I get the chance I will post. Post edited at 1:43 pm on Sep. 27, 2006 by Spasty
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