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Ok IamFromOz, so you wanna go there, I'm really not a religious person, I'm using common sense and you are greatly missing the very first point of what I was saying, so I'm gonna break it down for you

We weren't created because God needed us. We were created for God's glory. He wants us to be in a loving relationship with him and glorify him in what we do.

I know "God" didnt need us, what I'm saying is if he's "perfect" that perfect things dont need/want to be glorified, period. Perfect things dont need/want to sleep, eat, cry, drink, be loved, because being perfect is saying you are complete and dont need/want a damn thing, including to create imperfect things to glorify you. And wouldnt that make him sorta um selfish only creating us to glorify him and his already "so perfect" self? �

Why shouldn't a perfect being feel emotions?

Well hm lets see, because you are perfect? You are complete, dont need anything, dont want anything, and feeling emotions is a human thing because we arent perfect. A perfect God that gets unhappy and mad certainly is contradicting himself right there, why should a perfect thing have feelings?? � �

That does not mean God is not perfect, that means the Devil was not perfect. The Devil put pride and greed before God. God created people in a state that allows them to turn to God, or turn away.

So the Devil just magically appeared then? He wasnt created? You are missing the whole point, God is "perfect" and created EVERYTHING, including the Devil himself which means if he already knew before the Devil was even created that he was gonna put pride and greed before him then he isnt "all knowing" and "perfect," again perfect things dont create imperfect things, simple. �

Your prayer must be inline with Gods plan. Prayer isn't just a blank check where you can ask for anything and you get it, even if the prayer is to help somebody else. You talk about all the sick and hungry children of the world, so you know about them, what are you going to do about it. Perhaps it is Gods plan for you to help them, but you just sit there and say 'why doesn't God fix it?' If God fixed everything, we would never develop as people, we could never become better.

Well thats very nice of God then, just because its his plan to let little kids die painful deaths from sickness and starvation that makes him all loving and true to his word, right? I remember in one of those sunday school classes when i was younger my teacher pulled out a line that said ask something from him and he gives it. So now you are telling me that he's lying in that verse and its his plan to let kids that I dont even know starve and die of sickness that we dont even have cures for? He knows everything, is everywhere, knows every single kid thats sick, why doesnt he do something about it, I could care less if its in his plan or not, thats really ignorant of him � �

You are limiting God to linear time. For all we know, God may look at all of our time as one.

Not true, even I know and remember a verse in that dreadful book that says he is the beginning and the end, meaning he knows our beginnings and ends as well, apparently he knew before I was even born that I was gonna type all of this back to you, ask any pastor that

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I guess you could call it brain washing, but if its the truth then you don't really have an argument.

You dont even know if its the truth, you never met God did you? Maybe your brain is telling you those strange voices and "miracles" are God, how do you know that isnt just coincidence? I have plenty of argument, its called common sense. Read everything above, if hes so perfect, why even bother creating me if he already knows my beginning and end, whether im gonna go all bible warrior or not, and where im gonna end up, it makes no sense. �

God does not send people to Hell, people send themselves to Hell. Additionally, Hell isn't always interpreted as simply a place of eternal torture, but rather, Seperation from God. This Seperation from God is thought to be like torture as there is no satisfaction or rest, because those things can only be found in God.

People who use common sense and realize all the contradictions of God send themselves to hell then, right? Little kids who are forced into different religions their whole lives go to hell since they dont believe the specific christian junk and had no choice because they were in a strict family? �

I guess hell wouldnt be so bad then, church people blow heaven way out of proportion, you'll be serving in heaven to glorify that Perfect god that needs/wants glory, and hell is "apparently" now just seperation from God, not a place to be punished with fire and devils. Which is it gonna be? This is all common sense, but now I'm the devil and considered evil because I dont believe the same things as you.. I'm a baad girl plus i have more important things then religion, like cheerleading and field hockey

Post edited at 6:34 pm on Sep. 19, 2006 by AliciaGordon

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