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and how dare you come on to a support form and tell pll if they dont belive in god u will never be truely loved by anyone  
wow you must have some nerve no i dont have anything against christains but i really find it amusing how you can tell people these things nones useless so id advise you to get overurlsef and dont be so disrespetcful if you dont bag our belifes we wont bag yours

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sorry but thats not the point is it?

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Konno already admitted that this thread was stillborn.

-it feels pretty bad to be utterly useless in the universe.

I'm not useless, I'm not the one spending all my time reading the bible instead of doing soemthign meaningfull with my life.

-To only be created by random scientific events

So are you

-to never be truly and totally loved by any one

I plan on fidning a girl (maybe boy) who loves me someday. Besides, my familly loves me.

-to never know your set purpose and goal

My goal in life is to do something to be remembered for. Thats my purpose.

-never being able to explain anything at and before the beginning of anything

You can't have before the beginging. Oxymoron.

-to have a gaping black hole in the core of you being... always sucking in your feeling of wholeness and purity

Wtf?

-to know.. no matter what you do.. you can never be forgiven

For what? For being lez/bi? For wanting to kill myslef? For masturbation? For whatever other sins I've commited? Thanks but no thans, I don't need some priest telling em I'm forgiven.

Go get a life.


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I don't know many Athiests who preach really. By preach of course I mean the whole "You're going to hell sinner" thing. My point is you can't really contridict that because her job isn't to prove herself and her beliefs, Christians aren't exactly the same.

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I completely agree with you on that. But what this sentence was actually about started a couple pages back. She said:

"I've about had it with church people saying its 'free will' that sin is in the world. Theyre always saying sin is why innocent people die, children die, wars break out, diseases spread, etc."

She then said that God brainwashes people to believe evil exists because of humanity and free will.

Basically she took a possibility (her opinion) and stated it as fact. hard to explain, but if you read our quotes of eachother I think you will understand why I said that.

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Quote: from Ice Hand at 8:47 pm on Sep. 19, 2006

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Isn't it funny? No matter how many times you have this argument with someone, no matter how deep you go, people just argue the same thing and start all over again.  

 Hey shaknbake, do you think the conversation in this post sounds anything like yours and mine?

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I don't reallty care to think on it too much. The believers will continue to believe not matter how much the Atheists argue against them. It's all quite entertaining, but also dissapointing, and pointless.

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Agreed.

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Although the truth will come out in the end, so it's no harm.

I put need and want together because its either one or the other, if he desires imperfect things to glorfiy his perfect self, then that means he wants us, if he finds it necessary to make himself look self righteous and stubborn, then he needs us, either way its very unlikely of something "so perfect" and all knowing.

so this is going to go in circles, like ShaknBake said, but i feel even more resentful of believing there is a such thing as a "perfect" god

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well that was nice of you to reply to all of that IamFromOz, but you missed my very first point, perfect things should not need to be glorified, they are perfect! He's apparently all knowing, then he already knows who will love him and who will not, so whats he getting all jealous for?

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Thats right, he doesn't need us. Once again, God might look down on time all as one. So yes he knows what you will do, but that doesn't take away from everybodies free will to choose to love him or not. It is my guess that God is Jealous because frankly, to praise him is the purpose of our lives. Spending our lives doing something else is not what we were intended for, so it only makes sense that he wants us to fulfill our purpose.

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I put need and want together because its either one or the other, if he desires imperfect things to glorfiy his perfect self, then that means he wants us, if he finds it necessary to make himself look self righteous and stubborn, then he needs us, either way its very unlikely of something "so perfect" and all knowing.

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Yes he 'wants' our worship, no he doesn't 'need' our worship. But why do you think it is unlikely for him to want our worship? What could possibly make you think that is unlikely.

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PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD  

-it feels pretty bad to be utterly useless in the universe.  
-To only be created by random scientific events  
-to never be truly and totally loved by any one  
-to never know your set purpose and goal  
-never being able to explain anything at and before the beginning of anything  
-to have a gaping black hole in the core of you being... always sucking in your feeling of wholeness and purity  
-to know.. no matter what you do.. you can never be forgiven  

This is your fate if you don't believe in god  

Not The god ( bible version) but a god.. a supreme being of some kind  

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What. The . Fuck.

I'll just let Mr. Bukowski take over since it's late and I'm seemingly useless in my creativity.

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For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum. I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us.

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Post edited at 11:22 pm on Sep. 21, 2006 by Blacksummer

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