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Quote: from Rescorbic at 12:14 pm on Sep. 19, 2006

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Quote: from XXX Kono XXX at 2:01 pm on Sep. 19, 2006

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 7:53 am on Sep. 19, 2006

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Don't be a twit, Kono. Youve said nothing you can reasonably defend.

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  Ive said nothing hu?..... try me... give it what you go...  

  try and make a statement about god that I cant disprove

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 God is omniscience, therefore, He knows of His own future, and His existence is inevitably pointless.  Therefore, because He knows our future and our fate, we, inevitably, have no free will.

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true... bu he isn't controlling us... just because you can see someone Else's future .. doesn't mean you can control them

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Quote: from IamfromOZ at 11:45 am on Sep. 19, 2006

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Quote: from XXX Kono XXX at 12:01 pm on Sep. 19, 2006

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 7:53 am on Sep. 19, 2006

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Don't be a twit, Kono. Youve said nothing you can reasonably defend.

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  Ive said nothing hu?..... try me... give it what you go...  

  try and make a statment about god that I cant disprove

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 You are in over your head

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hell... the pope is in over his head... im drownding...

i know i cant prove my point to you people... but i can try

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Don't bother until you can form actual arguments.

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y'all nukhuhs that be aight wit dat bullshiiit, just hit us up mang

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"Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.  All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return."  

That's a pretty sad way of looking at it.

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 That's why humans have cities, airplanes, ships, cars, computers, and televisions, because humans have imagination and always strives to be better.  Animals don't.

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no i think we have those things b/c of evolution, which gave us the opposable thumb, which allowed the buildig of tools, which lead to technology.  same with imagination, its evolution, our brains are unique, we cant run, swim, or survive in extreme conditions so our intelligence made up for the difference.

A believer will say that they go to church, pray, talk to god etc...
 How can anyone believe that?? Not just that there is no reason, other than a rather old book, to tell them about their "god". But no matter what religion you have faith in there is someone else in the world that will believe just as strongly as you, but in a different faith. So how can you stand up and say "no! what i believe is right".  And believe that what your own mind believes is right.

Religion is a awful thing and imo has slip the world not just in half but into tiny pieces. And i fear that it will take a long time, if ever, before humanity wakes up to the reality of the world and what we don't know.

It honestly doesn't matter if you believe in a god or not, when a world gets so divided were all alone, and know one can save us then.

Post edited at 7:38 pm on Sep. 19, 2006 by Before

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Quote: from XXX Kono XXX at 4:39 pm on Sep. 19, 2006

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Quote: from Rescorbic at 12:14 pm on Sep. 19, 2006

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Quote: from XXX Kono XXX at 2:01 pm on Sep. 19, 2006

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 7:53 am on Sep. 19, 2006

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Don't be a twit, Kono. Youve said nothing you can reasonably defend.

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   Ive said nothing hu?..... try me... give it what you go...    

   try and make a statement about god that I cant disprove

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  God is omniscience, therefore, He knows of His own future, and His existence is inevitably pointless.  Therefore, because He knows our future and our fate, we, inevitably, have no free will.

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 true... bu he isn't controlling us... just because you can see someone Else's future .. doesn't mean you can control them

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I'm afraid there's more than "Control and free will". Destiny is neither, and it contridicts with free will. Therefore we have no free will if we are set to do something already. Whether he controls us or not hardly has anything to do with the point.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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None of the Above.

Hey shaknbake, do you think the conversation in this post sounds anything like yours and mine?

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i just like to argue

Honestly, I'd rather have no original purpose and proceed to make my own purpose, rather than consider being "God's servant" my real reason for existing.

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I value the lives of slugs over the lives of children - and I pour salt on slugs.

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Ok IamFromOz, so you wanna go there, I'm really not a religious person, I'm using common sense and you are greatly missing the very first point of what I was saying, so I'm gonna break it down for you

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Well I appreciate you breaking it down for me, now I can show you where you are mislead.

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I know "God" didnt need us, what I'm saying is if he's "perfect" that perfect things dont need/want to be glorified, period. Perfect things dont need/want to sleep, eat, cry, drink, be loved, because being perfect is saying you are complete and dont need/want a damn thing, including to create imperfect things to glorify you. And wouldnt that make him sorta um selfish only creating us to glorify him and his already "so perfect" self?  

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You can't lump 'need' and 'want' together like that as they are 2 completely different things. Of course a complete being like God doesn't need us or anything else. But that doesn't mean he can't be pleased, when we honor him, God is pleased. Being perfect does not mean you can not be pleased, beig perfect means you don't have flaws.

Yes, he is a Jealous God, he wants us to serve him. A supreme being has every right to dedmand his creation to obey him.

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A perfect God that gets unhappy and mad certainly is contradicting himself right there, why should a perfect thing have feelings??

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No, there is not a contradiction there. I don't know where you are getting this "God can't have emotion" idea. Explain to me how being flawless hinders God from being able to love, hate, desire, feel pleasure, and be disappointed.

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So the Devil just magically appeared then? He wasnt created? You are missing the whole point, God is "perfect" and created EVERYTHING, including the Devil himself which means if he already knew before the Devil was even created that he was gonna put pride and greed before him then he isnt "all knowing" and "perfect," again perfect things dont create imperfect things, simple.  

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No, God created the devil, initially he was an angel that rebelled against God; he wanted to be worshiped like God. Maybe God knew that he would rebel, but the devil still had free will to worship or not, it was all his choice, not Gods choice.

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Well thats very nice of God then, just because its his plan to let little kids die painful deaths from sickness and starvation that makes him all loving and true to his word, right? I remember in one of those sunday school classes when i was younger my teacher pulled out a line that said ask something from him and he gives it. So now you are telling me that he's lying in that verse and its his plan to let kids that I dont even know starve and die of sickness that we dont even have cures for? He knows everything, is everywhere, knows every single kid thats sick, why doesnt he do something about it, I could care less if its in his plan or not, thats really ignorant of him    

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God never said he will fix the problems of the world. It is Gods plan for everybody to love their neighor as themself; if everybody followed God's plan for their life, then there would be no starvation or poverty. You consistantly blame God for man's problems. No he is not lying in that verse, read it in its context.

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Not true, even I know and remember a verse in that dreadful book that says he is the beginning and the end, meaning he knows our beginnings and ends as well, apparently he knew before I was even born that I was gonna type all of this back to you, ask any pastor that  

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Like I said before, you are limiting God to linear time. It is very possible that God stands outside of time and looks in on it as a whole.

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You dont even know if its the truth, you never met God did you?

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You don't know its not the truth.

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People who use common sense and realize all the contradictions of God send themselves to hell then, right? Little kids who are forced into different religions their whole lives go to hell since they dont believe the specific christian junk and had no choice because they were in a strict family?  

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Even strict family does not mean they never had a choice. There are plenty of Christian scholars that believe people that have never been exposed to the message of Jesus are not sent to Hell.

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I guess hell wouldnt be so bad then, church people blow heaven way out of proportion, you'll be serving in heaven to glorify that Perfect god that needs/wants glory, and hell is "apparently" now just seperation from God, not a place to be punished with fire and devils. Which is it gonna be? This is all common sense, but now I'm the devil and considered evil because I dont believe the same things as you.. I'm a baad girl plus i have more important things then religion, like cheerleading and field hockey

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I said it is interpretted by some that way. Who said you are the Devil? Now that you've read this and realized you were mislead, you can get back to your cheerleading and field hockey.

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"Stay in school, lie to your teachers, but stay in school" - Billy Corgan

And this for me destroys any belief, IMO people believe in  a "God" because they want to think that they really have a connection with something more powerful than anyone else. and with something that has all the answers.

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Isn't it funny? No matter how many times you have this argument with someone, no matter how deep you go, people just argue the same thing and start all over again.  

Hey shaknbake, do you think the conversation in this post sounds anything like yours and mine?

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I don't reallty care to think on it too much. The believers will continue to believe not matter how much the Atheists argue against them. It's all quite entertaining, but also dissapointing, and pointless.

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so you people who dont beleive in god, how the hell do you think you were created? How do you think your bodies work so perfectly???

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our bodies dont work perfectly if god made all humand how  do people form INSIDE A WOMONS BODY