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 Replies: 195 — Last Post Oct. 3, 2006 10:06pm by Ice Hand
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Caseofbaskets
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Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:28 pm on Oct. 2, 2006
 Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 8:21 pm on Oct. 2, 2006
Rational (my word) and "unreasonable conclusion" (your words) are incompatible.
I concur that to decide there must be a god is not rational, but the problem here is that in theory, someone who was thinking for themselves could come to an irrational conclusion. Whether or not their conclusion is reasonable, they'd still be thinking for themselves, which is the point I was trying to get accross.
True, people can think for themselves and come to erroneous conclusions. Happens all the time. It's been my experience, though, that most believers aren't believers because they've thought it through and decided to believe. They're believers because that's the way they were raised, or because it's easier to just believe than to think rationally about whether believing makes sense. That's what I was referring to when I said that people who believe are looked down on by people who think. It's possible that you know a better class of believer than I do. But - at the risk of irony here - I'll believe it when I see it. 
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Cactaur
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-it feels pretty bad to be utterly useless in the universe. I don't feel bad. -To only be created by random scientific events I was created by some very specific physical events. -to never be truly and totally loved by any one I am truely and totally loved by many people, my family, my friends, my boyfriend -to never know your set purpose and goal I decide my own purpose and goals, unlike this guy  -never being able to explain anything at and before the beginning of anything You can't either by the way, it's a logical contradition, look at your wording. -to have a gaping black hole in the core of you being... always sucking in your feeling of wholeness and purity ...and you would know given that you're a Christian. -to know.. no matter what you do.. you can never be forgiven Here's the good part, I have no sense of cosmological guilt at all, unlike Christians, so I don't need forgiveness. Overall I should say that just about every point you've made here is incredibly arrogant and presumptous. How can you claim to know speak for the atheist community at large given that you're not one? Post edited at 8:19 am on Oct. 3, 2006 by Cactaur
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Aimforthehead
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Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 8:38 pm on Oct. 2, 2006
Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:28 pm on Oct. 2, 2006
Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 8:21 pm on Oct. 2, 2006
Rational (my word) and "unreasonable conclusion" (your words) are incompatible.
I concur that to decide there must be a god is not rational, but the problem here is that in theory, someone who was thinking for themselves could come to an irrational conclusion. Whether or not their conclusion is reasonable, they'd still be thinking for themselves, which is the point I was trying to get accross.
True, people can think for themselves and come to erroneous conclusions. Happens all the time. It's been my experience, though, that most believers aren't believers because they've thought it through and decided to believe. They're believers because that's the way they were raised, or because it's easier to just believe than to think rationally about whether believing makes sense. That's what I was referring to when I said that people who believe are looked down on by people who think. It's possible that you know a better class of believer than I do. But - at the risk of irony here - I'll believe it when I see it.
Oh yes definitely, I don't really know any Christians who think for themselves, they hear it and believe it with no second thought. Of course there are some though, I heard of some that thought for themselves, then went atheist or something else as I did.
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Stormblazer
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Quote: from XXX Kono XXX at 1:02 pm on Sep. 17, 2006
PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD -it feels pretty bad to be utterly useless in the universe.
I don't feel useless. I feel in control, because my life is what I want it to be.
-To only be created by random scientific events
Makes you feel liberated doesn't it?
-to never be truly and totally loved by any one
That's up to individuals to decide isn't it? I consider my parents to be loving for example.
-to never know your set purpose and goal
Again, that's for people to decide. Besides, I thought christians believed in free will. I don't believe in set purpose, I'd rather be free to choose my own path.
-never being able to explain anything at and before the beginning of anything
Bullshit, apparently you've never heard of science.
-to have a gaping black hole in the core of you being... always sucking in your feeling of wholeness and purity
I have no idea what you're talking about.
-to know.. no matter what you do.. you can never be forgiven
By whom? Last I checked people still had the ability to forgive each other.
This is your fate if you don't believe in god
Not The god ( bible version) but a god.. a supreme being of some kind
Correction, by the way you've explained, only the fundamentalist chistian version of god, which has nothing to do with true christianity, let alone any other monothiestic religion.
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Political Affiliation: Independent
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