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UK Law - Wounding what's the sentence?
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Did you spend a night in the cells?

I'm guessing you have a pending court appearance?

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Quote: from Blank black at 1:53 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Provocation doesn't apply for Malicious Wounding.  

Malicious Wounding carries a maximum of life imprisonment, and as you were carrying a weapon, I wouldn't be surprised if you were looking at 15-20.

Found in S18 OAPA, 1861.


again you're missing the difference, the difference is that wounding and malicious woundign carry different sentences


5:54 am on Feb. 9, 2008
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Quote: from Anonymous at 1:53 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Quote: from ImSoHappy at 1:52 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Who told you the charge was wounding?  

 What actions did these 'kids' take upon yourself?  

 How old were they?


the officers at the station writing wounding everywhere

17/18

 
pushing punching etc


Talk to your brief about the defences of mistake and self defence. As you were carrying a knife, it's unlikely that these will go for you, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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Quote: from Anonymous at 1:54 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Quote: from Blank black at 1:53 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Provocation doesn't apply for Malicious Wounding.  

 Malicious Wounding carries a maximum of life imprisonment, and as you were carrying a weapon, I wouldn't be surprised if you were looking at 15-20.  

 Found in S18 OAPA, 1861.


again you're missing the difference, the difference is that wounding and malicious woundign carry different sentences


You stab someone in the stomach, its malicious wounding, going off the Joint Charging standards.

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Quote: from ImSoHappy at 1:54 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Did you spend a night in the cells?

I'm guessing you have a pending court appearance?



yeah i'm home on bail now, but basically i have to go back friday the 14th and then they'll give me a court date etc.


5:55 am on Feb. 9, 2008
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Section 20 of the Act:

20. Inflicting bodily injury, with or without weapon.
Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously wound or inflict any grievous bodily harm upon any other person, either with or without any weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and being convicted thereof shall be liable [...] 34 to be kept in penal servitude [...] 35



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Your act was assult with a deadly weapon.

It's enought to carry a wepaon but to use it is another thing.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/charges/jury/assault3.htm

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Quote: from ImSoHappy at 1:56 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Your act was assult with a deadly weapon.

It's enought to carry a wepaon but to use it is another thing.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/charges/jury/assault3.htm



That's US law anyway.

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 1:57 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Quote: from ImSoHappy at 1:56 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Your act was assult with a deadly weapon.  

 It's enought to carry a wepaon but to use it is another thing.  

 http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/charges/jury/assault3.htm



That's US law anyway.

If i'm beinh honest, i ddin't read it

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Quote: from ImSoHappy at 1:56 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Your act was assult with a deadly weapon.

It's enought to carry a wepaon but to use it is another thing.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/charges/jury/assault3.htm


that's american it works differently there


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Quote: from ImSoHappy at 1:56 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Your act was assult with a deadly weapon.

It's enought to carry a wepaon but to use it is another thing.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/charges/jury/assault3.htm


Thats in America.

CPS will go for S18, trust me.

Knifing to the stomach, possession of a weapon would both go for MW or GBH with intent.



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You will most likely be convicted under Section 20, of the Offences Against The Person Act 1861.

Read my quote above for the actual wording. If this was unintentional then the sentence would be:

"It is an either way offence, which carries a maximum penalty on indictment of five years' imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine. Summarily, the maximum penalty is six months' imprisonment and/or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum."

If it was intentional, then you will be convicted under section 18 of the act, which carries a sentence of "It is an indictable only offence, which carries a maximum penalty of imprisonment for life."

Please note:


-When charging an offence involving grievous bodily harm, consideration should be given to the fact that a section 20 offence requires the infliction of harm, whereas a section 18 offence requires the causing of harm. This may be of some significance when considering alternative verdicts, (section 7 below). However this distinction has been greatly reduced by the decision of the House of Lords in R v Ireland; R v Burstow [1998] A.C 147 (Archbold 19-208).

-Factors that may indicate the specific intent include:
a repeated or planned attack;
deliberate selection of a weapon or adaptation of an article to cause injury, such as breaking a glass before an attack;
making prior threats;
using an offensive weapon against, or kicking the victim's head.


Source- CPS.gov.uk

Post edited at 6:05 am on Feb. 9, 2008 by marshmellowman

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Quote: from Blank black at 1:58 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Quote: from ImSoHappy at 1:56 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

Your act was assult with a deadly weapon.  

 It's enought to carry a wepaon but to use it is another thing.  

 http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/charges/jury/assault3.htm


Thats in America.

CPS will go for S18, trust me.

Knifing to the stomach, possession of a weapon would both go for MW or GBH with intent.


it wasn't in the stomach, it was the side,


and thanks for the help people i'm actually really scared


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Quote: from marshmellowman at 2:02 pm on Feb. 9, 2008

You will most likely be convicted under Section 20, of the Offences Against The Person Act 1861.

Read my quote above for the actual wording. If this was unintentional then the sentence would be:

"It is an either way offence, which carries a maximum penalty on indictment of five years' imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine. Summarily, the maximum penalty is six months' imprisonment and/or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum."

If it was intentional, then you will be convicted under section 18 of the act, which carries a sentence of "It is an indictable only offence, which carries a maximum penalty of imprisonment for life.

Please note:


-When charging an offence involving grievous bodily harm, consideration should be given to the fact that a section 20 offence requires the infliction of harm, whereas a section 18 offence requires the causing of harm. This may be of some significance when considering alternative verdicts, (section 7 below). However this distinction has been greatly reduced by the decision of the House of Lords in R v Ireland; R v Burstow [1998] A.C 147 (Archbold 19-208).

-Factors that may indicate the specific intent include:
a repeated or planned attack;
deliberate selection of a weapon or adaptation of an article to cause injury, such as breaking a glass before an attack;
making prior threats;
using an offensive weapon against, or kicking the victim's head.



To know exactly which you'll get, how many times did you stab him?

For s18, they need to prove your intent. S20, it is merely enough that you were reckless (in the very taking your knife out of your pocket, that shows intention to cause 'serious harm' (Smith).

I can't see why they wouldn't go for 18, you'd have to have a good barrister to get you off it.

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I don't know why you're asking us anyway, we're not police officers, lawyers or judges, we weren't at the scene, we didn't take witness, victim or suspect statements. We don't know all the details.

Go and talk to your solicitor, at least some kind of professional.

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