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Being politically incorrect
Replies: 54Last Post Feb. 13 6:09am by SusieQuestionu
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My teacher has been getting into pretty long rants about political incorrectness. Not because we're all so politically incorrect (PI), but more about what is being concidered PI, what the government, or whoever, is defining as PI (Sidenote: who decides this anyway?)

Some examples:

We are not allowed to call someone an Eskimo anymore...it's Inuit now. I'll bet with you that Inuits themselves probably do not feel offended by being called an Eskimo.

Way back in the day it was perfectly alright to call somebody Oriental. Asian is the term now.

I am partially African, so I have no problem with calling somebody Black! But since I don't look Black, people wiwll hush me and go, "You need to say coloured person."

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I actually agree with using different terms. Except, with calling you black when you're only partially black.

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what the fuck nuts are you talking about

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Black is only capitalized by racist nationalists or people who don't know the latter. Which are you?

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Quote: from Mediocre at 4:05 pm on Feb. 11, 2008

Black is only capitalized by racist nationalists or people who don't know the latter. Which are you?

A person who's main language is not english...and typically one captitalizes a race.

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Personally, I think political correctness is crap.  It is a form of an informal speech code, and speech codes are a mild form of government-approved censorship.  It's the old "slippery slope" argument: if some words are bad to say, then why not others?  Then, why those words, and not others?  Political correctness is well-intentioned, but as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  

In the US at least, speech codes have been successfully challenged as being unconstitutional.  

Don't be an ass to people, but don't be afraid to say what's on your mind.  Political correctness is censorship, only at the personal level instead of at the government level.

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Quote: from holysaiyan1 at 4:12 pm on Feb. 11, 2008

Personally, I think political correctness is crap. It is a form of an informal speech code, and speech codes are a mild form of government-approved censorship. It's the old "slippery slope" argument: if some words are bad to say, then why not others? Then, why those words, and not others? Political correctness is well-intentioned, but as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

In the US at least, speech codes have been successfully challenged as being unconstitutional.

Don't be an ass to people, but don't be afraid to say what's on your mind. Political correctness is censorship, only at the personal level instead of at the government level.


But I still believe that it should be kept at a certain point, of course there are some words you just do NOT use because they are very offensive...and meant to be. You will never hear the N word coming out of my mouth, but you won't find me saying, "F*ck," very often, either!

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I always wondered who decides what's PC and what isn't. I mean, who decided that we call midgets "little people"? I think that's more offensive than the original word.

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Quote: from SusieQuestionu at 10:15 am on Feb. 11, 2008

Quote: from holysaiyan1 at 4:12 pm on Feb. 11, 2008

Personally, I think political correctness is crap.  It is a form of an informal speech code, and speech codes are a mild form of government-approved censorship.  It's the old "slippery slope" argument: if some words are bad to say, then why not others?  Then, why those words, and not others?  Political correctness is well-intentioned, but as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.    

 In the US at least, speech codes have been successfully challenged as being unconstitutional.    

 Don't be an ass to people, but don't be afraid to say what's on your mind.  Political correctness is censorship, only at the personal level instead of at the government level.


But I still believe that it should be kept at a certain point, of course there are some words you just do NOT use because they are very offensive...and meant to be. You will never hear the N word coming out of my mouth, but you won't find me saying, "F*ck," very often, either!


Well, sure, but not saying f*ck isn't political correctness.  That's called "not using foul language."

Calling the N-word the "N-word" makes it worse, because it's some kind of evil word that can't be vocalized.  If I wasn't afraid of being censored by the mods, I wouldn't be calling it the n-word.  Yes, it's a word that has a bad history, but black people say it all the time.  Must not be that horrible if they say it and use it in a positive sense, right?

I'm sure that if you went back and studied words' histories, almost every word has a bad meaning.  We'd be left with articles, but no verbs, nouns, adjectives, adverbs, or prepositions.

Sometimes people need to be able to take a little verbal abuse, and stop being so goddamn sensitive.  People are pussies these days.  

Censor me, mods, for using the word "pussy" as a perjorative.  I dare ya.  

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I think political correctness is a great thing. I can see the difference that political correctness has made. It was only 40 years ago in this country that the Conservative party in Birmingham under the slogan "If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour" and my mother would tell me about how when the teacher was reading the register in the morning he would say, to refer to the one Asian boy in the class, 'is the black spot in?'. And all of these things have been gradually eroded away by political correctness, which seems to be at its worst a sort institutionalized politeness.

And if there's a tiny bit of fallout from this, if someone in some office somewhere gets in trouble for saying something because they weren't sure whether it was sexist, or racist then that's a small price to pay for the massive improvements in the quality of life for millions of people in my country today.

The whole 'political correctness gone mad' thing is just a way for the right, who control the media and international politics nowadays, to make people on the left who are worried about how people are being represented, look like killjoys.

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yeah I'm tired of conservative morons raving abut political correctness.

In any event, regardless of the name's origins, many Inuit people do not like the word "Eskimo" today
http://www.native-languages.org/iaq23.htm

It is worth remembering, though, that Oriental is not an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. It is most objectionable in contemporary contexts and when used as a noun, as in "the appointment of an Oriental to head the commission". In these cases Asian (or a more specific term such as Vietnamese, Korean, or Asian American, if appropriate) is the only acceptable term. But in certain historical contexts, or when its exotic connotations are integral to the topic, Oriental remains a useful term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental#Derivation

and the people that tell you to say coloured instead of black are ignorant or racist

The use of term in this way is now considered archaic and offensive in most contexts; nonetheless it remains part of the title of the NAACP, a prominent African-American organisation, and has been employed by some members of the African-American community as a legitimate ethnic/racial label when intentionally self-chosen and used in a respectful manner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloured#Other_usage


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Quote: from second account at 3:59 pm on Feb. 11, 2008


In any event, regardless of the name's origins, many Inuit people do not like the word "Eskimo" today
http://www.native-languages.org/iaq23.htm

The thing about the Eskimo/Inuit term is - All Eskimos are Inuits, but not all Inuits are Eskimos, so to use Eskimo as a catch-all term is like calling all Native Americans Cherokees.

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Quote: from Fauna at 10:02 am on Feb. 11, 2008

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 In any event, regardless of the name's origins, many Inuit people do not like the word "Eskimo" today  
 http://www.native-languages.org/iaq23.htm

The thing about the Eskimo/Inuit term is - All Eskimos are Inuits, but not all Inuits are Eskimos, so to use Eskimo as a catch-all term is like calling all Native Americans Cherokees.


How did we get "African-Americans"?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American#The_term_.22African_American.22

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:19 pm on Feb. 11, 2008

How did we get "African-Americans"?

Because not all black people are of African origin, is that your point? I'm not sure if that's used as a catch all term, I'm afraid I'm not responsible for the development of all PC terminology, so I can't really answer your question.

I personally, wouldn't say 'African-American' unless someone indicated that that would have they would describe themselves.

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