why hasn't this shit been flamed already? fuck sake, I'll do it.

1) you conclusions are baised.

because you have "male" value "strength", ("Androcentrism", being, i think, the technical word for it) you have considered women to be psyhically inferior.

however, I contend that not only are you wrong, you are horribly wrong, as it is incredibly obvoius women surpass men:

Women, on average, have a longer livespan, seeing there are able to live longer they are better than men.

women can give birth, something which men can never do....making them clearly superoir in this respect.

tend to be less aggressive -- as voilence is wrong and peacefulness a virture its clear women surpass men in this respect.

women are shorter -- because short things are cool, women are cooler than men.

2) there are 3 reasons why your wrong about mental ability.

a) if society has been patriachal, women have had less chance to be sucessful.

if the reporting of history is patriachal, (who many movies are made about inspirational women?....is it because people like bodicia never existed or because society decides what to make movies from?)  then the sucesses of women are going to be less well-known.

b) your assuming male-values again.

sucess and fame in fields like mathmatics are not neccessrily fields many women persue -- it would seem true to say many women put their intelect into the home, family, and into relationships.

^ neither of these things are going to win you a nobel prize, but that does not mean they are worthless or easy intellectual persuits either.

c) the role of family.

becuase of the amount of time, energy and effort involved in being pregnant, many women often have to choose between a family or their carrear (a choice not really apparent in men).....ergo, many women, who otherwise would have invented a cure for cancer, give up this sucess for a sucess of a very different kind.  

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Which gender can successfully and accurately pee standing up?

Answer that and there you go.

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On the subject of intellectual utilization, women are more likely to let emotion cloud their judgment than men are, which severely limits the usefulness of their brain power. In a literary sense, women authors have tendencies toward certain subjects, and men have tendencies toward others. The male tendencies, however, are more conducive to great story writing (honor, bravery, justice, etc.) than the female ones (romance, sensuality, feminism). Unfortunately, for a long time female authors wrote (as some still are) with a sort of 'you will respect me as an equal' tone, which turned off half of the populace to reading their literature. Male authors, with no such proclivities, could appeal to a wider audience.

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In the future, if you could just condense verbose passages like that into concise admissions of your own stupidity it would be greatly appreciated.

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Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

But when it comes to knowledge, there is no proof of either sex being mentally superior. Men may exploit their knowledge more often, but this is a function of the opression women have faced through all time. It wasn't that long ago that, in the land of the free, women finally earned the right to vote. Women are only beginning to discover new outlets.

Studies have shown that men's brains develop years behind women's. It is also true that, for a long time, women have been nothing more than the slaves, servants, and arm candy to men and were therefore stopped from speaking up and sharing their knowledge. Men were allowed access to education long before women, and were often given better jobs and more power.

Yet women have made great strides in the past few decades and have established themselves as intellectuals. Female inventors, politicians, professors, medical professionals, and artists have risen up to make their mark on the world. Now, all that men have left to hold against women is personal bias.

Males and females should be considered equal.

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Why you ask?

Multiple Orgasms.

Game over Men.

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Quote: from schoon at 11:17 am on Feb. 22, 2008

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On the subject of intellectual utilization, women are more likely to let emotion cloud their judgment than men are, which severely limits the usefulness of their brain power. In a literary sense, women authors have tendencies toward certain subjects, and men have tendencies toward others. The male tendencies, however, are more conducive to great story writing (honor, bravery, justice, etc.) than the female ones (romance, sensuality, feminism). Unfortunately, for a long time female authors wrote (as some still are) with a sort of 'you will respect me as an equal' tone, which turned off half of the populace to reading their literature. Male authors, with no such proclivities, could appeal to a wider audience.

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In the future, if you could just condense verbose passages like that into concise admissions of your own stupidity it would be greatly appreciated.

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Some support leader you are. Through what deception did you get the position to give advice to other people? You respect my right to have opinions and maybe you might earn that Support position.

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 4:49 am on Feb. 23, 2008

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Quote: from schoon at 11:17 am on Feb. 22, 2008

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On the subject of intellectual utilization, women are more likely to let emotion cloud their judgment than men are, which severely limits the usefulness of their brain power. In a literary sense, women authors have tendencies toward certain subjects, and men have tendencies toward others. The male tendencies, however, are more conducive to great story writing (honor, bravery, justice, etc.) than the female ones (romance, sensuality, feminism). Unfortunately, for a long time female authors wrote (as some still are) with a sort of 'you will respect me as an equal' tone, which turned off half of the populace to reading their literature. Male authors, with no such proclivities, could appeal to a wider audience.

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 In the future, if you could just condense verbose passages like that into concise admissions of your own stupidity it would be greatly appreciated.

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Some support leader you are. Through what deception did you get the position to give advice to other people? You respect my right to have opinions and maybe you might earn that Support position.

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some opinions really dont deserve any sort of respect

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 4:49 am on Feb. 23, 2008

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Quote: from schoon at 11:17 am on Feb. 22, 2008

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On the subject of intellectual utilization, women are more likely to let emotion cloud their judgment than men are, which severely limits the usefulness of their brain power. In a literary sense, women authors have tendencies toward certain subjects, and men have tendencies toward others. The male tendencies, however, are more conducive to great story writing (honor, bravery, justice, etc.) than the female ones (romance, sensuality, feminism). Unfortunately, for a long time female authors wrote (as some still are) with a sort of 'you will respect me as an equal' tone, which turned off half of the populace to reading their literature. Male authors, with no such proclivities, could appeal to a wider audience.

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In the future, if you could just condense verbose passages like that into concise admissions of your own stupidity it would be greatly appreciated.

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Some support leader you are. Through what deception did you get the position to give advice to other people? You respect my right to have opinions and maybe you might earn that Support position.

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This is "the intellectual forum." Let's ignore for a moment that you state that women are so emotional that it seriously inhibits use of their brain power, a term which is crucial but goes completely undefined on your part. Instead, let us take a moment to look at your literary analysis. One criterion that you judge an entire gender by is the concept you have introduced regarding the tendency of men and women to focus on different themes when writing.

Even if we are to overlook the huge and perhaps nigh-total influence that culture has on determining what themes authors prefer to write on, you make your judgment of male superiority based entirely on your own preference in literature. That is idiotic enough that we don't have to deal with the claim that because you perceive some tone in the writings of women that it automatically turns away half of potential readers, while just assuming that no such tone would exist in male authors.

Some intellectual you are. Once you present opinions worth respecting and learn to respect my opinion that your ideas are not worthy of respect then perhaps you should be able to post here.

I was hoping to avoid writing all of this, with the perhaps foolish dream that you'd be content at being shot down and would try to pick out the flaws in what could be called your "reasoning." Ah, well.

Post edited at 8:36 am on Feb. 24, 2008 by TheOtherHorseman

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Post edited at 12:37 pm on Feb. 24, 2008 by okumsup

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I think you can't look historically to the achievements of man, considering women have been oppressed for thousands of years.
If you think about the education given to women and the education given to men in past times, men were taught better than woman, so their intellect was restrained.
Now we're taught equally and the true potential of women is showing, whereas before they were held back so much by men that it was impossible to gauge their limits.

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Absolutely true!

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