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'Big Bang' machine could destroy the planet, says lawsuit
A giant particle accelerator that mimicks the effects of the "Big Bang
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A giant particle accelerator that mimicks the effects of the "Big Bang" could destroy all life on Earth by sucking it into a black hole, a lawsuit claims

Walter Wagner, who runs a botanical garden on Hawaii's Big Island, and Luis Sancho, a Spaniard, have asked for an injunction to prevent the European Centre for Nuclear Research, or Cern, starting up the Large Hadron Collider

he accelerator, which will be the world's most powerful particle smasher, is due to begin hurling protons at each other at its base outside Geneva this summer.

Physicists hope that the device, which has taken 14 years and £4 billion to build, will provide clues to the universe's origins by mimicking its condition a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.

Although Cern scientists have already ruled out the possibility in a safety review, Mr Wagner and Mr Sancho say there is at least a small chance of total annihilation of the planet and maybe the universe.

They claim Cern has under-played the chances that the collider could produce a tiny black hole or a particle called a "killer strangelet" that would turn the Earth into a shrunken lump of "strange matter".

Their lawsuit, filed in the Federal District Court in Honolulu, seeks a temporary restraining order banning Cern from finishing the accelerator until it has produced a safety report and an environmental assessment.

Defendants named in the suit are Cern, the US Department of Energy, the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory and the National Science Foundation. The US Justice Department said it would represent the Energy Department at a meeting over the lawsuit in Hawaii in June.

Cern is not bound by an American court's jurisdiction, but Mr Wagner said a restraining order on Fermilab and the Energy Department, which helped to supply the accelerator's crucial super-conduction magnets, would be enough to stop the programme.

A spokesman for Cern said the lawsuit's claims were "complete nonsense". "Much higher energy collisions than those at the LHC occur in nature, because cosmic ray particles zip around our galaxy at close to the speed of light," he said.

"The moon has undergone such collisions for five billion years without being devoured by a ravenous black hole or killer strangelet."

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typical, the bigest explosion ever, and we have to recrate it. not only that, it could form a black hole. god us humans are idiots  

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Why the fuck would they want to do that?

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It's not the "biggest" size-wise... makes it sound more dramatic.

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what the..?

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They aren't recreating the Big Bang and the chance of it creating a black hole (let alone one that would be dangerous) are effectively nill.

That lawsuit is more stupid than the Diana inquest.

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lmao god is laughing his ass off right now

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Quote: from GaelicFreak at 9:24 pm on April 1, 2008

Why the fuck would they want to do that?

to learn how the universe formed

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considering the big bang never happened, this is just absurd!

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scientists have to much time on their hands

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The hell did I know, this would be a King Kong topic eh? They won't have a fully working one anyway. If they do, we could sure use it. Against the rag heads.

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Quote: from The reborn lord at 1:29 pm on April 1, 2008

The hell did I know, this would be a King Kong topic eh? They won't have a fully working one anyway. If they do, we could sure use it. Against the rag heads.



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yeah it really wont destroy the world at all.

its a small scale experiment, basically they are trying to find a "god" particle which could have started the whole thing off.

in fact, last year they carried out an experiement under the earths surface to mimic the big bang for a few seconds.

scientists know more about what they are doing that lawyers do, and i think we can all rest assured that the scientists do not want to destroy earth

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Quote: from The Samsoniteman at 9:25 pm on April 1, 2008

They aren't recreating the Big Bang and the chance of it creating a black hole (let alone one that would be dangerous) are effectively nill.

That lawsuit is more stupid than the Diana inquest.



Indeed, so is the stupid Telegraph for calling it the big bang machine. The LHC is a particle accelerator investigating the effects of colliding oppositely charged particles. Christ I hate it when they try to dumb it down, but then it makes it factually incorrect.

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also, firing protons might sound dangerous, but do you realise that in nuclear reactors the whole thing is done by neutrons being fired around, which have just the same relative mass as a proton and are no more dangerous!

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remember when the first steam trains were built? they had to put up fences because they thought that anybody looking at something going over 30 miles per hour would make your head explode...

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