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Quote: from Rebecca li at 7:15 am on Mar. 28, 2008
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Uh. It's a human being. An innocent human being. An innocent human being who did not decide to be brought into this world. An innocent human being who did not decide to be brought into this world and who should not be killed because his or her idiotic mother just wanted to get screwed and was irresponsible. 
It's not a human being yet, it's a fetus. Not all the people that get pregnant and don't want the baby are "idiotic mothers." Some have very valid excuses.
I'm so sick of hearing that excuse. "It's not a human being it's a fetus." Come up with something new.
Isn't it true?
Again subjectivity is all that surrounds the "answers" to this type of question. I say it is a human, you say it isn't.
How do you define a human? I always thought the definition had something to do with concious thinking.
So you're saying that people in hospitals who have been injured or who are sick and have no concious thinking are not human?
Do you mean people who are in Coma, or who are vegetables?
Technically? Yes.
So there's no reason to keep them around either. Let's just kill them. I'm sure their families won't mind.
Scientists say that people who are in Coma have conscience thought.
But if they're vegetables, yeah, we should just kill them. They're taking up beds that sick people could be using to get better.
So they're life is less important?
What life? A vegetable won't get better. Ther're on life support, they're being fed through a tube. There is no chance for them.
It's called neuro-science and many advancements have been made so that one day they may get better.
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Quote: from bluestreak at 12:17 pm on Mar. 28, 2008
It's called neuro-science and many advancements have been made so that one day they may get better.
One Day. One day people who are around that are sick, who need this, can have it. But TODAY there is nothing to do.
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Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying,
"Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"
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Quote: from xoxo1234 at 12:24 pm on Mar. 28, 2008
I'm pro-choice. I'd never have an abortion myself, but I strongly believe in letting a woman decide what to do with her own body and not have ANYONE dictate it to her. BTW -- whoooah, talk about long quote trains.
See. I agree with that. Abortion should be Legal so that people can Choose. If you don't want to have one, don't. But don't tell other people what they can or can't do with their body.
Sometimes they don't have a choice, so don't just be thinking about the whore down the street who doesn't like condoms and ended up getting pregnant. Thing about the Rape victim in the ally, think about the 12 year old girl who's body can't handle pregnancy. If you don't want it, don't do it.
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Madness does not always howl.
Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying,
"Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"
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Quote: from Rebecca li at 12:30 pm on Mar. 28, 2008
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I'm pro-choice. I'd never have an abortion myself, but I strongly believe in letting a woman decide what to do with her own body and not have ANYONE dictate it to her. BTW -- whoooah, talk about long quote trains.
See. I agree with that. Abortion should be Legal so that people can Choose. If you don't want to have one, don't. But don't tell other people what they can or can't do with their body.
Sometimes they don't have a choice, so don't just be thinking about the whore down the street who doesn't like condoms and ended up getting pregnant. Thing about the Rape victim in the ally, think about the 12 year old girl who's body can't handle pregnancy. If you don't want it, don't do it.
Hence, "pro-choice," and not, "pro-death."
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Quote: from SusieQuestionu at 6:49 am on Mar. 28, 2008
Well, that is, I do understand them, but I don't understand how someone can just think that they_'d want to not allow a mother to decide what she can do with her body. Someone explain?
People who are pro-life typically believe that the fetus isn't just a part of the mother's body that will eventually develop into its own person; most believe that the fetus is its own person from conception. It's a philosophical question, not a scientific one, and it's not something that either side can prove, which is why the debate still exists (though, I should point out, people from both sides like to say that they can prove their position, but ultimately, if they could, why would there be any debate at all?). In essence, people who are pro-life (which, frankly, I really hate as a term, as much as I hate "pro-choice," in that I've met maybe five people who weren't pro-life and who were all "KILL TEH BABIEZ" and yet would be labeled likely as "anti-life," being the opposite of pro-life; at the same time, I've met very few people who are not pro-choice who don't support a woman's choice to do what she wants with her own body) don't believe that the fetus is simply part of a woman's body; they believe it is its own separate person and, therefore, terminating it is akin to murder. Personally, I think both sides are a bit silly, as both sides forget that there are two lives involved, not just one, but that's just my universally-hated moderate position.
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Well, that is, I do understand them, but I don't understand how someone can just think that they_'d want to not allow a mother to decide what she can do with her body. Someone explain?
It isn't her body so thats a fallacy you are embracing right there. They don't share organ systems, they are different on a genetic level, they respond to stimulus independently...there are a host of criteria to show that a fetus isn't part of the mother's body.
At the point where it's legal...no organs exist, except for the ones they DO share.
A fetus at no point of development shares organs with the mother. It either uses energy stored in the egg to begin initial mitosis and implant and then draws from the mother's system, the umbilical cord functions as a way to transfer O2, CO2, sugar, and waste between the mother and the child's blood. The child makes use of the mother's organs but they do not share them. If this makes the child a part of the mother than a dialysis patient is part robot for the same blood transfer mechanism is used to remove waste in a person suffering from kidney failure.
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The fetus is biologically dependant on the mother. It develops and survives based from her food/air/etc intake. Thus the rationale for the fetus not being an individual with rights equal to those of the mother, atleast until it is developed enough to be able to survive outside the womb.
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Quote: from SusieQuestionu at 3:54 am on Mar. 28, 2008
It's not a human being yet, it's a fetus.
Now you're playing with semantics. What exactly is a human? A full grown adult, ideally in their 20s or 30s? I suppose that would leave out infants and toddlers, too, who are still developing. If you think about it, fetus is really just another stage in human development - hence a human fetus is human and is alive. There's simply no way around that unless you want to play ignorant. Thus most pro-lifers would argue that because of that, the human deserves a chance to live. No pro-lifer will give a shit about what the mother wants because 1) the right to life supercedes all, and 2) most believe it was her mistake to begin with, thus she (and ideally, the father too) should deal with it in a proper manner (as opposed to killing the human). At least that is their view of it. Post edited at 1:12 pm on Mar. 28, 2008 by Bud2400
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