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Nikki
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Life is precious. Why should an innocent child suffer as a result of it's parents mistakes? It's not the childs fault.
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So all you pro lifers, in the case of rape, or in the case of birth permantly damaging and/or killing the mother, how do you stand. If you think that a woman should be forced to give birth in the case of rape, you are incredibly incompassionate and I hope that one day you might know what that feels like. 
Rape is horrible and no woman ever deserves to go through that, but no child ever deserves to be murdered either... the baby did not commit the crime, his father did and to abort the child you are punishing him for the acts of his father. I feel extreme sympathy for anyone forced to endure a rape, but i do not condone killing an innocent. And as for fatalities for the mother, anywoman who is faced with the choice between her life or her child's is a very brave and strong person indeed. in that case and the case of EXTREME health complications for the child, the decision on what to do lies in the hands of the mother and father together. That is the ONLY time i would ever accept an abortion as a resonable choice. But, for the record, if i ever had to choose between my life or the life of my child, there would ultimately not be a choice at all, my child would live.
It's odd...it seems like the fetus seems to be more important than the mother. It doesn't seem to matter to you what kind of discomfort the mother may be going through. You call it a crime to murder an innocent being, but the mother had to endure quite a different kind of crime. I was raped, and even having to think about carrying a part of that man in my body makes me want to jump of a bridge!
i am truely sorry that you had to go through that, but i still cant condone the murder of an innocent child... yes, rape is horrible and awful and any man who commits it should be painfully castrated and slowly killed, but like i said, the child didnt do anything wrong, and having an abortion is just as phsycologically scarring as rape....it feels you with a guilt for killing your baby that nothing can compare to.
So...the child is more important than the mother?
no both lives hold equal wieght...but the mother didnt die because her rape (please dont say she died emotionally because i realize that already) and neither should the child.
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Quote: from Nikki at 5:55 pm on Mar. 29, 2008
Life is precious. Why should an innocent child suffer as a result of it's parents mistakes? It's not the childs fault.
Ok, I'm a little sick of this.
A) how do you know the child suffers?
B) What is the criteria on which you base the idea of "murder?"
C) At what point (as in months) is an abortion acceptable?
D) what is your definition of when life starts? (ie. conception, birth, 6 billion years ago)
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If you have sex, you're ready for a baby. I will not debate this. If you are raped, its called emergency contraception.
How do you define ready?
You want a baby.
Everyone that has sexx automatically wants a baby? So...why don't we just get rid of contraception methods? Since we're only sleeping with people to get pregnant. I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of people do it purely for pleasure. They are not nearly ready to have a child. Others that would be ready, simply do NOT want a child. What would you rather want...somebody getting an abortion and maybe want a child later on in life. Then caring for the child...not just finacially, but also with love. As opposed to somebody who COUKD have a child, but doesn't want it...and will therefore have a small bit of dislike for said child for the rest of his or her life? I think the child would be better of dead!
Not what I meant. If you take the commitment of sex, you've GOT to be ready for a kid.
That's the point of contraceptives. Of course you must be ready for the possibility, but surely not the general "ready."
You have to be ready. That's the point. Don't whine and bitch and murder someone because you just wanted to have sex. I will not argue this further.
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Quote: from Nikki at 6:06 pm on Mar. 29, 2008
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A) how do you know the child suffers?
B) What is the criteria on which you base the idea of "murder?"
C) At what point (as in months) is an abortion acceptable?
D) what is your definition of when life starts? (ie. conception, birth, 6 billion years ago)
OK, to answer your questions (in my opinion) a) But I've heard of cases of abortions occurring and the fetus being alive after it's happened. Surely they feel pain then, and therefore felt pain when they were aborted?
Unless it is aborted at the last moment. A young fetus cannot survive outside the womb without the necessary means for survival. Also it's nervous system AND brain must be nearly developed to feel pain, and the brain doesn't develop completely until well after birth, even though it can feel pain before full development there have been cases of toddlers as old as 2 without fully developed brains who feel little-no pain.
b) Murder is someone else getting rid of a life.
So if you live in a normal house the wood used came from a mass murder of living trees? Hunting and breeding animals for slaughter is mass murder? What makes humans so special? Our emotions or ability to feel pain? All animals can feel pain (reasonably, those with nervous systems and proper brain accommodations). Animals feel emotions (some, not all.) Many primates have very well developed cognitive ability, so is the killing of an ape murder?
c) Abortion isn't acceptable except when the mother's life is in danger, or in the case of rape (in MY opinion, I believe everyone should have the right to abortion).
I agree here. But why is it not always acceptable? I think the answer to that, or rather the true question, is in the previous 2 segments.
d) Life starts at a heartbeat. After 26 days.
So a fetus with a heartbeat is living? Trees are living and they have no heartbeat. The brain is barely larger than a fish's brain at 26 days. So obviously it can feel no pain at this point. And if we discard the foolish idea of a soul, a fetus could be considered a parasite until 4-6 months.
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Well war and capital punishment is most certainly murder as well, no matter which way you bullshit it.
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jonny5
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Quote: from Nikki at 6:24 pm on Mar. 29, 2008
I'm not including animal/plant life in this. It gets too complicated and brings so many other (normally irrelevant) arguments into question. When I say murder, I'm talking about getting rid of a human life.
But you have to bring in animals. Humans are animals.
But when you say murder is taking of a human life, what makes a creature human? What qualities must a being ascertain to be considered human? Like I said, some primates have well developed cognitive ability, in fact, some have cognitive abilities that extend beyond some humans (mentally retarded ones.) So in this case, if the "murder" of apes is acceptable, than we should draw the line on the IQ scale where it is a mercy killing or perhaps an extermination and not murder. But the question stands. What makes humans special/what qualities does a human posses that constitutes a murder instead of a kill?
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