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Replies: 12Last Post Mar. 28 4:46pm by jakelong
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He's the man, its too bad he can't win the election, although he only said he could no longer win it 'in the traditional sense'

I.E. When the next president is being sworn in, Paul will kick the door down and swear before the other guy can. If that fails, he'll be followed by a few guys with AKs

Anyways, http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1724358,00.html


There used to be an organization for people who believed in a truly limited government — limited taxes, limited spending, limited interference in individual lives and limited intervention in foreign affairs. That organization was known as the Republican Party. But the only one of those beliefs that still motivates the G.O.P. establishment is limited taxes. In 2008, people who still hold all of them joined the Ron Paul Revolution.

But now the revolution is ebbing. Congressman Paul's new campaign finance report shows that he's raised nearly $35 million, including more than any other Republican candidate in the fourth quarter of 2007, and he's inspired remarkable passion among the kind of diehards who hold up campaign signs on highway overpasses and post irate comments on obscure blogs. But the presidency isn't decided on YouTube or Technorati. Paul didn't win any Republican primaries, and he recently conceded that "victory in the conventional sense is not available."

Of course, nothing in Paul's world is ever done in the conventional sense, so he has refused to drop out of the race and endorse the presumptive G.O.P. nominee, Senator John McCain. Instead he argues that all Republicans should have "the right to vote for someone that stands for traditional Republican principles." And he's got a point.

The real significance of the Paul campaign is not the ubiquitous bumper stickers and lawn signs or the online fund-raising records ($6 million in one day, plus another $4 million, hilariously, on Guy Fawkes Day) but the mirror Paul held up to the modern Republican Party. When his fellow candidates denounced big government, Paul was there to remind them that President Bush and the G.O.P. Congress had shattered spending records and exploded the deficit. When they hailed freedom, Paul asked why they all supported the Patriot Act and other expansions of executive power. And when they called themselves conservatives, Paul asked what was so conservative about sending thousands of young Americans to try to transform the Middle East.

In some ways, Paul is a throwback to the frugal and isolationist wing of the old Republican Party, the fuddy-duddy GOP of Robert Taft and Calvin Coolidge. His fiscal policies evoke the idealistic Republican revolutionaries who seized control of Congress in 1994; he wants to abolish the IRS, the Departments of Homeland Security, Education and Energy, and most of the federal government. He refuses to vote for unbalanced budgets, and he has opposed spending taxpayer dollars on Congressional Medals of Honor, even for Rosa Parks or Pope John Paul II. Typically, his campaign has reported no debts, and still has more than $5 million in the bank. Meanwhile, Paul's foreign policies evoke candidate George W. Bush's call for a "humbler foreign policy" in 2000, although Paul goes much further; not only did he oppose U.S. involvement in Iraq, Kosovo and the war on drugs, he opposes U.S. involvement in the United Nations and NATO.

Under Bush's leadership, of course, the Republican Party has been anything but frugal and anything but isolationist. The congressional Republican revolutionaries seemed to lose their zeal for shrinking the federal government once they controlled it, which is one reason voters expelled them from power in 2006. And these days, it's usually Democrats who call for a humbler foreign policy. Paul's leave-us-alone libertarianism hasn't fit in with a party anxious to read our e-mail, improve our values, assert American power abroad and subsidize friendly industries at home. The party's recent mix of "national greatness" neoconservatives, evangelical theoconservatives and K Street careerists has had many goals, but leaving people alone hasn't been one of them. That's why Paul was the one getting booed at G.O.P. debates. And that's one reason why Paul's fervent followers were banned from the activist Republican website RedState.

In fairness, though, another reason RedState's directors got tired of the Paulistas was that so many of them seemed — what's the polite word? — nuts. Paul's supporters aren't all black-helicopter paranoiacs, but the black-helicopter paranoiacs sure do support Ron Paul. The controversy over a few racist articles in his old newsletters was probably overblown; there's no evidence that Paul himself was ever a racist. But he is an extremist — partly in the Barry Goldwater extremism-in-defense-of-liberty-is-no-vice sense of the word, but also in the wacky let's-relitigate-the-currency-debates-of-the-1820s sense of the word. The late William F. Buckley wanted conservatives to stand athwart history yelling stop; Paul seems to want to slam history into reverse. The guy genuinely wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and start circulating gold again.

Still, even if you set aside Paul's kookier ideas, there just doesn't seem to be a road to the White House for any candidate who opposes the war in Iraq as well as higher taxes, the war on drugs as well as higher spending, restrictions on privacy as well as restrictions on guns. That's a real "freedom agenda," a true assault on big government, and while it clearly spoke to some angry dudes with high-speed web connections and time on their hands, it's just as clearly not where America stands today. Paul didn't have a lot of company on the House floor when he rose recently to complain about government overreach in the investigation of the disgraced former New York governor Eliot Spitzer, who resigned after revelations that he had been a customer of a high-end prostitution ring.

But even if Paul's ideological purity is never going to get him to the White House, it does help illuminate the impurities — and sometimes the hypocrisies — of today's Republicans, just as Ralph Nader can do for the Democrats. The G.O.P. candidates all claimed to defend taxpayers, but Paul was the only one who refused to accept a taxpayer-funded pension or taxpayer-funded junkets. The candidates all talked about shrinking big government, but Paul was the only one who included the Pentagon and NSA wiretaps and petroleum subsidies in his definition. Bush's approval ratings have been abysmal for years, but Paul was the only Republican who really campaigned for change.

And in doing so Paul illustrated what was so striking about the Republican race. The leading candidates had all strayed from Bush and current orthodoxy in the past — Rudy Giuliani on abortion and gay rights, John McCain on tax cuts, torture, health care and campaign finance, Mitt Romney on just about everything. But while Paul was getting attacked every time he called for a new direction, the rest spent the primaries minimizing and renouncing their previous departures, implicitly promising four more years of Bushism. McCain is lucky he has some time to craft a new message, because that's not where America stands today, either.


Post edited at 5:41 pm on Mar. 27, 2008 by InsaneBlue

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If you like Ron Paul, you would love Micheal Monger. He's running for gov. of NC. He'll lose though

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Ron Paul has some good ideas, but his foreign policy is rather unrealistic and would ruin America's image to other countries.

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Who is Ron Paul?
I've always heard about him, but I never saw his picture.

Would someone post a picture of him?


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Quote: from Will Smith at 5:45 pm on Mar. 27, 2008

Who is Ron Paul?
I've always heard about him, but I never saw his picture.

Would someone post a picture of him?




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Quote: from SgtPatches at 8:43 pm on Mar. 27, 2008

Ron Paul has some good ideas, but his foreign policy is rather unrealistic and would ruin America's image to other countries.

As much as it sounds like a good idea for Ron Paul as our president, a lot of his beliefs are unrealistic on top of his foreign policy.

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Ron Paul is a fucking lunatic, and his supporters are even nuttier.

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Yes thats an absolutely fact filled critique of the man's policies.

Ron Paul has written extensively on both economics and foreign policy.  His foreign policy is actually of a type that will earn the respect of the world although it would make a few nations who want to tell us how to act upset that we aren't spending all our money helping to keep problems going in others.


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Ron Paul doesn't deserve the time of day to be critiqued. I won't waste me time, because everytime someone who is actually politically experienced and knowledge comes up with numerous reasons why Ron Paul would fail as president, you nuts can't even concede when proven that his ideas, while decent ideally, would completely fail in implementation.

I won't bother explaining, but you could head down to your local university and ask a poltical science professor.

Or you could ask anyone who is above the age of 20!


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Quote: from thepartyboy at 10:35 am on Mar. 28, 2008

Ron Paul doesn't deserve the time of day to be critiqued. I won't waste me time, because everytime someone who is actually politically experienced and knowledge comes up with numerous reasons why Ron Paul would fail as president, you nuts can't even concede when proven that his ideas, while decent ideally, would completely fail in implementation.

I won't bother explaining, but you could head down to your local university and ask a poltical science professor.

Or you could ask anyone who is above the age of 20!


I'm 32 and on the ballot as a Republican Delegate to the National Convention.  I think I know a thing or two about politics and the philosophical history of the party.  I offer tutoring of American History and Civics for free to neighborhood children.

Now why don't you prove that your qualifications are up to mine?  Not that it matters because people don't need to be qualified to discuss topics, they simply have to be willing to and you don't seem to be willing.


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Well why don't you tell me what you believe his stances are in regards to certain issues (foreign policy, etc), and I'll tell you why he's a nut.

Unfortunately, it's hard to see his actual positions since most suppporters have adopted their own interpretations of his actual views.


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Quote: from thepartyboy at 7:08 pm on Mar. 27, 2008

Ron Paul is a fucking lunatic, and his supporters are even nuttier.
QFT

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Quote: from Elm at 11:44 am on Mar. 28, 2008

I'm 32 and on the ballot as a Republican Delegate.
The hell!?!! WTF you doing on a teen forum? stalking?

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