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Replies: 66Last Post Mar. 27 2:38pm by I never forget
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I never forget


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Quote: from Shaknbake at 8:36 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:31 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Wow, TIT, did I hit a nerve there? Where did you see that I said anything about atheists? I'm simply showing the 'other side of the coin'. Those without religion are prone not only to commit offenses but extreme ones at that.

But do they do them with the specific cause of furthering their notreligion?


2 of them are of the christian faith. the other is unknown atleast from her source.


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Quote: from obvious child at 9:58 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:52 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from obvious child at 9:05 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:54 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Do you think their lives wouldn't be examined under a microscope? The psychologists always want to know what makes people like that tick.
 

  Look at the length of many of those. Look at how many of them actually go into depth on the parents.    

  Would you call that exhaustive?


My links are not to the biographies of these people. But if you are seriously interested, I would almost guarantee you can find several complete and thorough studies on any one of them. Search any of those names on Google and see the number of topics available. Check out your local library. I'll bet most of the authors of those treatises will have PhD attached to their names as well.

Until someone links that, it's hard to believe such claims as no involvement. Especially in a country where the vast majority of parents believe in something


Well then, why not start with Jeffrey Dahmer, any site you want.

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Is this a joke? Christianity has killed more people than what you can imagine. This goes for all religions. How can you look down on Atheistism by some mentally challenged people?

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Quote: from Keltic Fighter at 8:48 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Is this a joke? Christianity has killed more people than what you can imagine. This goes for all religions. How can you look down on Atheistism by some mentally challenged people, such as myself?

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Quote: from I never forget at 11:49 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

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Wow, you are funny not. I am Bi-polar, not mentally retarded. Why would your "God" make me this way?

Also I must ask, are you an anarchists? You know God don't like those. If you aren't one than one do you have that A as you avatar?

Post edited at 8:56 pm on Mar. 26, 2008 by Keltic Fighter

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Quote: from Shaknbake at 10:36 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:31 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Wow, TIT, did I hit a nerve there? Where did you see that I said anything about atheists? I'm simply showing the 'other side of the coin'. Those without religion are prone not only to commit offenses but extreme ones at that.

But do they do them with the specific cause of furthering their notreligion?


Show me where the purpose in any of the recent topics the furthering of religion played any part.

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Quote: from I never forget at 10:43 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Shaknbake at 8:36 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:31 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Wow, TIT, did I hit a nerve there? Where did you see that I said anything about atheists? I'm simply showing the 'other side of the coin'. Those without religion are prone not only to commit offenses but extreme ones at that.
 

 But do they do them with the specific cause of furthering their notreligion?


2 of them are of the christian faith. the other is unknown atleast from her source.


And your source is?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:58 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from I never forget at 10:43 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Shaknbake at 8:36 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:31 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Wow, TIT, did I hit a nerve there? Where did you see that I said anything about atheists? I'm simply showing the 'other side of the coin'. Those without religion are prone not only to commit offenses but extreme ones at that.
 

  But do they do them with the specific cause of furthering their notreligion?


 

 2 of them are of the christian faith. the other is unknown atleast from her source.


And your source is?

I know that Dahmer converted to Christianity after his conviction of the murders, I never forget and he was eventually murdered by a religion zealot from behind bars.  I commented on that beforehand, but what Angel is saying is that their individual crimes were not motivated by the person's religious practice or particular faith beforehand.


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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:57 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Show me where the purpose in any of the recent topics the furthering of religion played any part.

I wasn't speaking about any specific case. I simply wished to put forward that while the irreligious can do horrible things, their motivation is generally not their irreligion. When a case is presented of some horrible act motivated by religious belief, the issue is different.

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The simple version: both people who are religious and people who aren't religious are capable of doing horrible things and are capable of killing people. Being religious is never an excellent mean to single someone out, nor is being not religious. If they are a human being, then there is the chance of these things happening. Religion has nothing to do with it, and both sides need to realize that. This goes to you religious people and all of you think religion is the cause of all the world's problems.

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Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:18 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:57 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Show me where the purpose in any of the recent topics the furthering of religion played any part.
I wasn't speaking about any specific case. I simply wished to put forward that while the irreligious can do horrible things, their motivation is generally not their irreligion. When a case is presented of some horrible act motivated by religious belief, the issue is different.

What I'm taking issue with is the selectiveness of some topics that target religion. That a child dies because its parents are stupid is one thing. But to post that only because it has religion as a backdrop shows a lack of not only compassion but an abundance of hate. So many tragedies happen that have nothing to do with religion, yet someone feels compelled to gloat over each and every one that can be connected to religion. That, in my opinion, is almost as bad as the tragedy itself. This topic is mainly to show that the worst of the worst aren't religiously motivated.

Post edited at 9:41 pm on Mar. 26, 2008 by Forever Angel

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Quote: from Keltic Fighter at 8:51 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Wow, you are funny not. I am Bi-polar, not mentally retarded. Why would your "God" make me this way?

Also I must ask, are you an anarchists? You know God don't like those. If you aren't one than one do you have that A as you avatar?


my god? I'm an atheist. Do I believe in Anarchy? not so much, I set that as my avatar years back when I made an account, and I never got around to change it because I don't care.

Bi-polar is pretty over diagnosed imo. Not that I feel bad for people with it anyways.


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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 6:50 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Leichenschrei at 5:23 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Google "Jeffrey Dahmer Church of Christ".  

 


You do realize that he converted to Christianity afterward before he was beaten to death by another inmate named Christopher Scarver who later exclaimed to be doing the will of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Scarver

And since when has an autobiography of a particular individual need to be exhaustive in order to be credible?  If the biography makes no mentioning of the potential belief of the individual in question, you can safely assume that they were not devout in either their particular beliefs or religion at all.  To state, "They could have had a particular belief that hasn't been mentioned!" is adding more information than was has been presently provided; therefore to do so is assuming the answers instead of seeking them directly.


Yes, he was baptized in prison apparently. Read here:
http://www.holysmoke.org/hs00/dahmer.htm


Jeffrey Dahmer is the son of a Born Again Fundamentalist (Church of Christ) father. Jeffrey's Born Again Fundamentalist home life led him to feel he could not acknowledge his homosexuality to his Fundamentalist father, and instead he developed an intense hatred of himself and of other gay men.

Well Jeffrey has now come home. He has become a Born Again Fundamentalist, baptized by a minister of the Church of Christ.

The following 3 articles chronicle the story of Jeffrey Dahmer's pilgrimage of faith: from Born Again Fundamentalist home to Born Again Fundamentalist prison cell, from Church of Christ to Church of Christ.
"Anger at his homosexuality led Dahmer to kill, psychiatrist says"




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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:58 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

And your source is?

the very source you linked. maybe you should re-read them, along with the quotes I posted.


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Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:40 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Quote: from Leichenschrei at 7:23 pm on Mar. 26, 2008

Google "Jeffrey Dahmer Church of Christ".
Did you? If so, what did it say? I provided links, so can you.




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