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It annoys me to no end that you people think that you can throw the "murderers" trump card at atheists,
Lol, the only way you could have the argument on your side, is if, by having religion, people would not commit those murders.
As can be witnessed by the whole world, religion actually leads to crimes people without religion wouldn't think about. Or at least get the motivation for it.

Religious people tell atheists to not group together religious people because of a "minority", and thus lead to erroneous conclusions about a religion.
Well, once you turn your back they start talking about Hitler and Stalin and whatnot.
People commit murders for reasons other than atheism.
Atheism has nothing to do why people do bad things, OR GOOD THINGS.
People just are.

Now, you might say that the same can be applied to the religious way of thinking but it can't.
"It isn't fair", you might say.

It's not about fairness it's about logic.
Your beliefs influence your actions. I don't care if those beliefs make you do all good things and no bad things. Or make you do really bad things.
The thing is that religion, actually being a dogmatic SET of existing beliefs in your head that you tell yourself to never change, can make you consider actions that are extreme, because they're more than innocent beliefs. Their potential is clear.
Atheism is not a belief. You do not think "I don't have a god in my life, I'm gonna do more good deeds, I'm gonna shoot the president today."
What atheism does, however, is that it indirectly influences other beliefs, because it's a non existent thing, so you just busy yourself with other things, with other thoughts, be them good or bad. But atheism has nothing to do with those thoughts. A non-existent thing has nothing to do with things that exist.
If you're going to attack these good or bad deeds, then attack what causes them, but don't hit atheism, because it's a nonexistent pi�ata.
That's how silly you people are when you blame atheism, when what makes people do bad things has nothing to do with the absence of a belief in god.
People are so more complex than that.
and you saying that if people found Jesus Christ and followed him, there wouldn't be murders like this.
I'm not gonna respond to that, because I believe you're very aware of how complicated humans are, and religion just can't fix it like that, not in this world of the 21st century.

It just surprises me that you're this childish, that you even bother to point out murders where people just happened to have no religion.
and again, I repeat. You can't say the same about religious people, that they "just happened to be religious".
You can't say that, when it is clear, and you don't dodge reality, that people DO commit atrocious acts for stupid beliefs like "God is Great" and are led to kill themselves, or get in jail for committing something where they should know better.
Religion is a component. Religion can be a component. Because it IS. It exists. they're an actual set of beliefs.
They're right there next to political motivations.
Religion does not go above being an element in decision making.

I know it doesn't sound fair on the surface, but if you UNDERSTAND IT, it just doesn't work the same way, because religion actually influences, NOT in the same way a lack of something does.
Religion IS something, atheism is the absence of that something, thus it is a nothing.

Post edited at 6:22 pm on Mar. 26, 2008 by TooImaginativeTeen

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