Like, for example, put your palm out flat, about 3 feet from your shoulder. Now, push, you felt nothing move I guess? (Besides maybe a slight rush of air.) But you just pushed the air out and right behind your hand the air came and filled in the space where you hand just was.

This of course clearly ties in with the theory "nothing was and ever will be created, matter just changes, i,e the suns rays hit a plant, the plant produces oxygen and then the oxygen from the plant gets tied together with all different elements and makes rain." You can't *MAKE* anything from *NOTHING* there is not a source of nothing to use anyway, but also the fact that you need something to mould into something else, you can't change nothing into something... BECAUSE THERE IS NO NOTHING TO CHANGE!

Some uneducated fool will most likely say "theres nothing in space (between planets, stars, dust etc)." There is, even if scientists can't identify the particles that are the space in space they are still there! If there was a single point in the universe where nothing was, the universe would implode on itself, for there needs to be every conceivable space in the universe with something there.

Now this is going to branch of to my other theory about infinity. The human mind can't  comprehend infinity. Sure, you can say "I know what infinity is! It's something that never ends, like a circle." That's merely stating some regurgitated and repeated fact, you can't actually understand the concept of infinity FULLY, your brain would explode, an example of this. Close your eyes, now try and picture an inch thick, round, blue, metal pole, that never ends. IN YOUR MINDS EYE! Actually PICTURE it! You can't! You see! It's impossible! All you can do is picture a pole that you can't see the ends of and tie that together with the statement "infinity is something that never ends".

Now, you'll probably say "You look into space! That's infinite!" well, space IS infact infinite, (which will lead to another argument later in this thread) but what your viewing is a veil of objects, there's no point in space where you can look directly straight through infinite, once again, if you did, your brain would explode.  Let me try to explain this more simply. Imagine a 1x1x1 foot cube. Now, let me divide this into sectors. There are 12x12x12 (approximate) inches in that box, so there's 1728 cubic inches of air in there, Now imagine the very front ince of the box, now fill up 143 of the frontmost cubic inches in the box with matter, leave the bottom right cube. Now in the second frontmost cubic inches of the box put another cubic inch of matter there. Now take the front side off the box and imagine looking at it from a DIRECT front view. You wouldn't be able to see the back then would you? The universe is like that, since it is in fact infinite, there would of course not be any point where you'd be able to see all the way to the infinitely distant "end" of the universe.

So that explains that, try and tell me a way you can see something infinite, a circle? Sure? It is infinite on a three dimensional plane, but working on the fourth dimension (time) it had a beginning and therefore an end. The universe had a beginning, but it was an infinite amount of time ago, you can't comprehend that, and it's a directly contradictory statement, but it JUST IS. It has to be, you can only disprove god by directly contradicting yourself and saying an infinite ending and an infinite beginning exist.

Cause they do, it must be on a 5th dimension, or something where it is possible to *TRULY* comprehend infinity.

Back to the argument about nothingness, nothing does not exist. If the universe is infinite, then there is an infinite amount of NOT nothing matter. I have to make this statement and honestly believe it or god exists.

AND GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

I'm just gibbering now though, I hope the original point of this post is clear, but it mightn't be.

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I can wholly and truthfully state that nothing cannot exist, nothing is nothing. See the cubic foot of air directly infront of your face, there's something there, it might not look it but on the sub-atomic level there's clearly particles taking up every conceivable spot in that cubic foot. There is no part of that cube that nothing is is. Air particles are light, and the atoms have space between them, but that space between them also contains other particles of some description.

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And you know this how? I am not saying you are wrong, for I am not sure of the truth of it. However, to say that if there was nothing at some point, the universe would implode on itself is a silly notion.

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Like, for example, put your palm out flat, about 3 feet from your shoulder. Now, push, you felt nothing move I guess? (Besides maybe a slight rush of air.) But you just pushed the air out and right behind your hand the air came and filled in the space where you hand just was.

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Who the hell would argue that "air" is nothing? c'mon now

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This of course clearly ties in with the theory "nothing was and ever will be created, matter just changes, i,e the suns rays hit a plant, the plant produces oxygen and then the oxygen from the plant gets tied together with all different elements and makes rain." You can't *MAKE* anything from *NOTHING* there is not a source of nothing to use anyway, but also the fact that you need something to mould into something else, you can't change nothing into something... BECAUSE THERE IS NO NOTHING TO CHANGE!

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Eh, this seems like "toddler philosophy" to me; it is nothing new and quite obvious.

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Some uneducated fool will most likely say "theres nothing in space (between planets, stars, dust etc)." There is, even if scientists can't identify the particles that are the space in space they are still there! If there was a single point in the universe where nothing was, the universe would implode on itself, for there needs to be every conceivable space in the universe with something there.

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refer to my first response, i responded to this point there.

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Now this is going to branch of to my other theory about infinity. The human mind can't  comprehend infinity. Sure, you can say "I know what infinity is! It's something that never ends, like a circle." That's merely stating some regurgitated and repeated fact, you can't actually understand the concept of infinity FULLY, your brain would explode, an example of this. Close your eyes, now try and picture an inch thick, round, blue, metal pole, that never ends. IN YOUR MINDS EYE! Actually PICTURE it! You can't! You see! It's impossible! All you can do is picture a pole that you can't see the ends of and tie that together with the statement "infinity is something that never ends".

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Now, you'll probably say "You look into space! That's infinite!" well, space IS infact infinite, (which will lead to another argument later in this thread) but what your viewing is a veil of objects, there's no point in space where you can look directly straight through infinite, once again, if you did, your brain would explode.  Let me try to explain this more simply. Imagine a 1x1x1 foot cube. Now, let me divide this into sectors. There are 12x12x12 (approximate) inches in that box, so there's 1728 cubic inches of air in there, Now imagine the very front ince of the box, now fill up 143 of the frontmost cubic inches in the box with matter, leave the bottom right cube. Now in the second frontmost cubic inches of the box put another cubic inch of matter there. Now take the front side off the box and imagine looking at it from a DIRECT front view. You wouldn't be able to see the back then would you? The universe is like that, since it is in fact infinite, there would of course not be any point where you'd be able to see all the way to the infinitely distant "end" of the universe.

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So that explains that, try and tell me a way you can see something infinite, a circle? Sure? It is infinite on a three dimensional plane, but working on the fourth dimension (time) it had a beginning and therefore an end. The universe had a beginning, but it was an infinite amount of time ago, you can't comprehend that, and it's a directly contradictory statement, but it JUST IS. It has to be, you can only disprove god by directly contradicting yourself and saying an infinite ending and an infinite beginning exist.

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What are you talking about, man. the circle had a beginning and an end in time? what does that prove? and how does that relate to the universe?

Are you claiming that because a circle must have had a beginning and an end [which i would argue does not] in time that the universe is therefore cyclical? I don't see the correlation.. sorry.
You can't say that it had a beginning an infinite time ago, you are right, that is a contradiction in terms. it just ISN'T that way lol.

GOD?! lol how does he fit into this now?

ahh, never mind i see where you are going with that, however you have just made two enormous assumptions, one that the universe is infinite and one that the universal time-line "began" an infinite time ago.

second, you are assuming an abrahamic deity, not the idea of God. [why does it always come back to god?]

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Cause they do, it must be on a 5th dimension, or something where it is possible to *TRULY* comprehend infinity.

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Back to the argument about nothingness, nothing does not exist. If the universe is infinite, then there is an infinite amount of NOT nothing matter. I have to make this statement and honestly believe it or god exists.

AND GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

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Ok, you are off your rocker aren't you?
that is the most illogical and nonsensical logical argument i've seen... I'm sorry if i sound harsh, I really do not mean to offend, please --pray you-- don't take this as a personal attack.

I think that perhaps you should learn about M-theory, and a shit ton more about the state of the Cosmos.
[I recommend anything by brian Greene --most notably [u]the fabric of the cosmos[/u]

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So basing your 'reality check' on things in this 3-d plane is useless, for every piece of evidence doesn't exist in the first place.

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Everything you think you feel isn' real anyway.
You are not real.  Not am I.

So basing your 'reality check' on things in this 3-d plane is useless, for every piece of evidence doesn't exist in the first place.

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I can wholly and truthfully state that nothing cannot exist, nothing is nothing. See the cubic foot of air directly infront of your face, there's something there, it might not look it but on the sub-atomic level there's clearly particles taking up every conceivable spot in that cubic foot. There is no part of that cube that nothing is is. Air particles are light, and the atoms have space between them, but that space between them also contains other particles of some description.

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And you know this how? I am not saying you are wrong, for I am not sure of the truth of it. However, to say that if there was nothing at some point, the universe would implode on itself is a silly notion.

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It's a slight exagerated example, I use a lot of that it my theories Have you not heard of that before, I'm sure it's been said by many different and some quite respected people that there must be matter at every conceivably point.

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Like, for example, put your palm out flat, about 3 feet from your shoulder. Now, push, you felt nothing move I guess? (Besides maybe a slight rush of air.) But you just pushed the air out and right behind your hand the air came and filled in the space where you hand just was.

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Who the hell would argue that "air" is nothing? c'mon now

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Sorry, are you saying who would argue that air is nothing as in "everyone agrees it's nothing" or "of course it's "nothing"?

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This of course clearly ties in with the theory "nothing was and ever will be created, matter just changes, i,e the suns rays hit a plant, the plant produces oxygen and then the oxygen from the plant gets tied together with all different elements and makes rain." You can't *MAKE* anything from *NOTHING* there is not a source of nothing to use anyway, but also the fact that you need something to mould into something else, you can't change nothing into something... BECAUSE THERE IS NO NOTHING TO CHANGE!  

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Eh, this seems like "toddler philosophy" to me; it is nothing new and quite obvious.

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Lol, 9th grade shit. xD From last year. But, name one way that something can be created from *ABSOLUTELY* nothing, no particles, no elements, nothing. (PHYSICAL STUFF)

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Some uneducated fool will most likely say "theres nothing in space (between planets, stars, dust etc)." There is, even if scientists can't identify the particles that are the space in space they are still there! If there was a single point in the universe where nothing was, the universe would implode on itself, for there needs to be every conceivable space in the universe with something there.  

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refer to my first response, i responded to this point there.

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Umm?

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Now this is going to branch of to my other theory about infinity. The human mind can't  comprehend infinity. Sure, you can say "I know what infinity is! It's something that never ends, like a circle." That's merely stating some regurgitated and repeated fact, you can't actually understand the concept of infinity FULLY, your brain would explode, an example of this. Close your eyes, now try and picture an inch thick, round, blue, metal pole, that never ends. IN YOUR MINDS EYE! Actually PICTURE it! You can't! You see! It's impossible! All you can do is picture a pole that you can't see the ends of and tie that together with the statement "infinity is something that never ends".

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"Or it would explode" ?  
Are you serious? The human mind may not be able to SEE infinity, but that is the point of it, if one could they would be under the false-assumption that you can actually SEE infinity, and would therefore not comprehend what infinity is.  
I think that humans are perfectly capable of comprehending the idea of infinity, you are now trying to sound smart by making things unnecessarily complex.

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Another exaggerated example, I could've said "drive you crazy" or something, I mean, if I'm correct you'd have to agree that to conceive something inconceivable would be mind boggling at the least.

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Now, you'll probably say "You look into space! That's infinite!" well, space IS infact infinite, (which will lead to another argument later in this thread) but what your viewing is a veil of objects, there's no point in space where you can look directly straight through infinite, once again, if you did, your brain would explode.  Let me try to explain this more simply. Imagine a 1x1x1 foot cube. Now, let me divide this into sectors. There are 12x12x12 (approximate) inches in that box, so there's 1728 cubic inches of air in there, Now imagine the very front ince of the box, now fill up 143 of the frontmost cubic inches in the box with matter, leave the bottom right cube. Now in the second frontmost cubic inches of the box put another cubic inch of matter there. Now take the front side off the box and imagine looking at it from a DIRECT front view. You wouldn't be able to see the back then would you? The universe is like that, since it is in fact infinite, there would of course not be any point where you'd be able to see all the way to the infinitely distant "end" of the universe.

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1) have you examined the universe to its extent? you can say with that much distinction that it is infinite?  
Even when you can not understand what infinity is?!  
2) again with the head exploding... i think YOU have a misconception of what infinity is. It is OBVIOUS by the definition of infinity that you can not "look through it", whats the point in making that assertion; one like "you can not, in fact, stick your hand through a wall of solid lead!" DUH.  
3) fill the front inches with matter? lol what are you talking about, I'm sure that people understand the size of the universe and the impossibility of seeing "through infinity" as you put it...

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1) This is completely and utterly working of the theory that the universe is infinite, if it's not, that whole paragraph is utter shit. As for explaining what I meant, I was just trying to explain what was in my mind, I was thinking, if the universe is infinite, there there is a definite chance that there will be planets at different differences that would block your view, from seeing an infinite distance.

2) I didn't mean look through it, well, I did, but you can't look through it cause your sight would never see "through" the non-existential end of it. A simpler explanation would be imagine an infinitely long barrel of a gun, you could look at the infinite distances there. Not "through" it.

3) Just an example to try and explain why there would be matter of all kinds blocking there sight from looking at the infinite distance.

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So that explains that, try and tell me a way you can see something infinite, a circle? Sure? It is infinite on a three dimensional plane, but working on the fourth dimension (time) it had a beginning and therefore an end. The universe had a beginning, but it was an infinite amount of time ago, you can't comprehend that, and it's a directly contradictory statement, but it JUST IS. It has to be, you can only disprove god by directly contradicting yourself and saying an infinite ending and an infinite beginning exist.  

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What are you talking about, man. the circle had a beginning and an end in time? what does that prove? and how does that relate to the universe?

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Oops. That was part of another argument I had about my friend about infinite *TIME*. Not meant to be there. xD  

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Are you claiming that because a circle must have had a beginning and an end [which i would argue does not] in time that the universe is therefore cyclical? I don't see the correlation.. sorry.  
You can't say that it had a beginning an infinite time ago, you are right, that is a contradiction in terms. it just ISN'T that way lol.  

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Once again part of an unrelated argument, I told you I was jibbering, and stoned.

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GOD?! lol how does he fit into this now?  

ahh, never mind i see where you are going with that, however you have just made two enormous assumptions, one that the universe is infinite and one that the universal time-line "began" an infinite time ago.  

second, you are assuming an abrahamic deity, not the idea of God. [why does it always come back to god?]  

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Once again part of the argument about time, how the fuck did I type two paragraphs of that without noticing?!

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Cause they do, it must be on a 5th dimension, or something where it is possible to *TRULY* comprehend infinity.

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stop it.  
have you ever read papers on M-theory, and what the extra dimensions are believed to be? they are not little universes in which one can comprehend these strange contradictory ideas.

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I was just saying something, alternate universe, fifth dimension, future, past, whatever the fuck you want, just some reality where it's possible to see an infinite of anything.

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Back to the argument about nothingness, nothing does not exist. If the universe is infinite, then there is an infinite amount of NOT nothing matter. I have to make this statement and honestly believe it or god exists.  

 AND GOD DOES NOT EXIST.  

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Ok, you are off your rocker aren't you?  
that is the most illogical and nonsensical logical argument i've seen... I'm sorry if i sound harsh, I really do not mean to offend, please --pray you-- don't take this as a personal attack.  

I think that perhaps you should learn about M-theory, and a shit ton more about the state of the Cosmos.  
[I recommend anything by brian Greene --most notably the fabric of the cosmos

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Well, that's if my theory's correct, which it most likely is not.

I can't believe I typed this unfinished shit up last night when I was wrecked. I wasn't meant to...

EDIT: Where the fuck did all my quote tags disappear to!?

Post edited at 7:30 pm on Mar. 25, 2008 by Iampureevil1

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It's a slight exagerated example, I use a lot of that it my theories Have you not heard of that before, I'm sure it's been said by many different and some quite respected people that there must be matter at every conceivably point.

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Of course i've heard of it before, just never in anyone's argument for something, nor in any philosophical discussion i've ever had...lol

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Sorry, are you saying who would argue that air is nothing as in "everyone agrees it's nothing" or "of course it's "nothing"?

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Lol, 9th grade shit. xD From last year. But, name one way that something can be created from *ABSOLUTELY* nothing, no particles, no elements, nothing. (PHYSICAL STUFF)

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what i was saying was that what you said, was obvious. And that it does not take an experienced mind to come up with it. Not insulting you, of course, simply that that point was kind of meaningless.

define physical stuffs.
if you were to say anything that has mass [which is all matter and all energy, and all quarks, and all electrons...] then i would point you to the [still in theory] Higgins Boson, which is believed to have no mass, but is responsible for that very phenomenon. and I would make the claim that an excess of Higgins Bosons could create something from --essentially-- nothing.
however, of course, you can not take NOTHING and make something.

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Another exaggerated example, I could've said "drive you crazy" or something, I mean, if I'm correct you'd have to agree that to conceive something inconceivable would be mind boggling at the least.

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1) This is completely and utterly working of the theory that the universe is infinite, if it's not, that whole paragraph is utter shit. As for explaining what I meant, I was just trying to explain what was in my mind, I was thinking, if the universe is infinite, there there is a definite chance that there will be planets at different differences that would block your view, from seeing an infinite distance.

2) I didn't mean look through it, well, I did, but you can't look through it cause your sight would never see "through" the non-existential end of it. A simpler explanation would be imagine an infinitely long barrel of a gun, you could look at the infinite distances there. Not "through" it.

3) Just an example to try and explain why there would be matter of all kinds blocking there sight from looking at the infinite distance.  

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2) I know what you meant, what i was saying was there would BE no end to see through to. you could not see then end of infinity, because that would be a contradiction in terms.

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Well, that's if my theory's correct, which it most likely is not.

I can't believe I typed this unfinished shit up last night when I was wrecked. I wasn't meant to...

EDIT: Where the fuck did all my quote tags disappear to!?

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I understand that whatever claims you make would be subject to the validity of your argument, however I do not see how God tied into this... at all really.

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