And they say Science is not at all about the guess work or simply leaving situations to chance?


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God creates out of nothing. Wonderful you say.
Yes, to be sure, but he does what is still more wonderful:
he makes saints out of sinners.

"But even now, many astrophysicists are still uncomfortable with the implication that the Big Bang marked the beginning of time itself. And the theory has yet to yield a satisfactory answer to a key question: What made the Big Bang go bang?"
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover

But science is still trying different scenarios to explain the things that don't fit everything we currently believe we know.  

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Quote: from PS2luvr at 12:36 pm on Mar. 25, 2008

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maybe, all i know is that nobody, but God, was there so i'll just hafta ask him when i get there...

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I'd like to see your proof of God. Since this is a scientific debate, evidence is required beyond simple faith. Provide it, or stop spouting religious propaganda.

FP

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Quote: from PS2luvr at 12:36 pm on Mar. 25, 2008

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 maybe, all i know is that nobody, but God, was there so i'll just hafta ask him when i get there...

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I'd like to see your proof of God. Since this is a scientific debate, evidence is required beyond simple faith. Provide it, or stop spouting religious propaganda.

FP

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well that's the thing...there's no PROOF of God, except that all this could not have possibly come from nothing...where's the proof of that? can you actualy show me proof, not just biug words and speculation, that evolution and the big bang are factual?

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Post edited at 12:33 pm on Mar. 25, 2008 by I never forget

1. Continual Movement in a positive direction until gravity begins to become increasingly useless, which causes all life to essentially scatter aimlessly throughout the Universe.

2. Continual Movement until eventually the inertia ceases, which causes the Universe to essentially stop maintaining it's mass regardless afterward.

3. Continual Movement until the inertia ceases and the mass of the Universe retracts due to the gravitational pull afterward?  If this theory is true, then it'd be theoretically possible that there have been literally millions of Universes created prior to ours and the impact of this collapse will lead to the creation of millions more, etc. etc.

And they say Science is not at all about the guess work or simply leaving situations to chance?

The curvature of the universe decides it fate, what is the problem?

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All men are born with a nose and ten fingers, but no
one was born with a knowledge of God. -Voltaire

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Let's say that the Big Bang Theory is true, then the mass and inertia from the explosion would logically carry several possible scenarios afterward:

1. Continual Movement in a positive direction until gravity begins to become increasingly useless, which causes all life to essentially scatter aimlessly throughout the Universe.

2. Continual Movement until eventually the inertia ceases, which causes the Universe to essentially stop maintaining it's mass regardless afterward.

3. Continual Movement until the inertia ceases and the mass of the Universe retracts due to the gravitational pull afterward?  If this theory is true, then it'd be theoretically possible that there have been literally millions of Universes created prior to ours and the impact of this collapse will lead to the creation of millions more, etc. etc.

And they say Science is not at all about the guess work or simply leaving situations to chance?

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The Big Bang Theory is true, it has a massive amount of EVIDENCE in its favor.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309064066&page=2

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

Here are some of the misconceptions you made:

1) Big Bang is not an explanatory model for the origin of the universe, but for its development.
2) The Big Bang was not an explosion, it was a rapid expansion.
3) The fact that we do not know what will happen in the far, far future does not know we do not know what happened in the past.

The Big Bang explains much, much data, such as the entropy of the universe, H/He ratio, cosmic background radiation and so on.

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 11:38 am on Mar. 25, 2008

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Quote: from PS2luvr at 12:36 pm on Mar. 25, 2008

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  maybe, all i know is that nobody, but God, was there so i'll just hafta ask him when i get there...

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 I'd like to see your proof of God. Since this is a scientific debate, evidence is required beyond simple faith. Provide it, or stop spouting religious propaganda.  

 FP

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well that's the thing...there's no PROOF of God, except that all this could not have possibly come from nothing...where's the proof of that? can you actualy show me proof, not just biug words and speculation, that evolution and the big bang are factual?

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Ever heard of something called MODERN SCIENCE?

"There are something like ten million million million million million million million million million million million million million million (1 with eighty zeroes after it) particles in the region of the universe that we can observe. Where did they all come from? The answer is that, in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle parts. But that just raises the question of where the energy came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero. The matter in the universe is made out of positive energy. However, the matter is all attracting itself by gravity. Two pieces of matter that are close to each other have less energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together. Thus in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero. Now twice zero is also zero. Thus the universe can double the amount of positive matter energy and also double the negative gravitational energy without violation of the conservation of energy." (Hawking, Stephen, "Brief History of Time", p. 129)

Here is just one piece of evidence for evolution (feel free to ask):

"Even more peculiar is the course of the recurrent laryngeal nerve, which corrects the brain to the larynx and allows us to speak. In mammals, this nerve avoids the direct route between brain and throat and instead descends into the chest, loops around the aorta near the heart, then returns to the larynx. That makes it seven times longer than it needs to be! For an animal like the giraffe, it traverses the entire neck twice, so it is fifteen feet long (fourteen feet of which are unnecessary). Not only is this design wasteful, but it also makes an animal more susceptible to injury. Of course, the bizzare pathway of this makes perfect sense in evolutionary terms. In fish and early mammal embryos, the precursor of the recurrent laryngeal nerve attached to the sixth gill arch, deep in the neck and body region. Fish still retain this pattern, but during late human embryology, the gill arches are modified into the tissues of our throat region and pharynx. Parts of the old fish-like circulatory system were rearranged, so the aorta (also part of the sixth gill arch) moved back into the chest, taking the recurrent laryngeal nerve (looped around it) backward as well." (Prothero, Donal R. "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters", 2007, p. 37-38.)

If creationism is true, why does the recurrent laryngeal nerve loop around the aorta.

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God did it. Can't prove and never will, but I just believe it wanna fight about it?

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Yes. Wana do sum' fightin'? Put um up laddie!

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All men are born with a nose and ten fingers, but no
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Ever heard of something called MODERN SCIENCE?

"There are something like ten million million million million million million million million million million million million million million (1 with eighty zeroes after it) particles in the region of the universe that we can observe. Where did they all come from? The answer is that, in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle parts. But that just raises the question of where the energy came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero. The matter in the universe is made out of positive energy. However, the matter is all attracting itself by gravity. Two pieces of matter that are close to each other have less energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together. Thus in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero. Now twice zero is also zero. Thus the universe can double the amount of positive matter energy and also double the negative gravitational energy without violation of the conservation of energy." (Hawking, Stephen, "Brief History of Time", p. 129)

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If creationism is true, why does the recurrent laryngeal nerve loop around the aorta.

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Quote: from Moridin at 3:51 pm on Mar. 25, 2008

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Ever heard of something called MODERN SCIENCE?  

 "There are something like ten million million million million million million million million million million million million million million (1 with eighty zeroes after it) particles in the region of the universe that we can observe. Where did they all come from? The answer is that, in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle parts. But that just raises the question of where the energy came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero. The matter in the universe is made out of positive energy. However, the matter is all attracting itself by gravity. Two pieces of matter that are close to each other have less energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together. Thus in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero. Now twice zero is also zero. Thus the universe can double the amount of positive matter energy and also double the negative gravitational energy without violation of the conservation of energy." (Hawking, Stephen, "Brief History of Time", p. 129)

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And zero energy = no energy so there is no energy in the universe.

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The TOTAL energy is zero.

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Because evolution isn't the most efficient form of creation.

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In this case: belief in creation =/= creationism

Post edited at 4:42 pm on Mar. 25, 2008 by Moridin

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