An individual should have the choice to do as they will which violates the rights of none that they believe will best secure their rights.  Anyone attempting to force behavior on others like this is correctly labeled a tyrant.

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Gun control for all except police and that sort of thing. If nobody's allowed to have a gun, nobody's gonna have one to shoot, therefore nobody needs one for protection against something that's impossible.

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Flawed theory, criminals still get guns because they disregard the law completely. There are more civilians around then police, and police aren't always get there in time it stop a situation from escalating from bad to worse. People that get a CCW and are responsible can not only defend themselves, but others.

You should read the Gun Control Fact Sheet, that'll clear some numbers in your head.

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* Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:

* States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%;29 and

* If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.30

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http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

Post edited at 6:24 pm on Mar. 18, 2008 by Dont Tell

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Areas where concealed carry is allowed seem to have lower crime rates than those without.

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It may not be the case in all situations but it seems to be the case now. Criminals fear an armed public.

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Quote: from bloodhound at 12:55 am on Mar. 18, 2008

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Areas where concealed carry is allowed seem to have lower crime rates than those without.

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you pulled that one out of your ass or you got actual fact to support it?

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It may not be the case in all situations but it seems to be the case now. Criminals fear an armed public.

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Haha yeah right. Tell that to the Nortenos and the surenos here.

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Outdated a bit but Im sure this would be true for a more recent study.

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Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 10:51 pm on Mar. 21, 2008 This study involved county crime statistics from ALL 3,054 counties in the US from 1977 to 1992. [/quote[ Wheres the data coming from? Who made the study? How we know its linked to concealed guns and not something else?Weres link to national data?

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Well i believe that people will use common sense with guns,

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Well then you're being naive. When has the general public ever shown common sense about most anything? The Supreme Court of the United States will soon be clarifying the meaning of the 2nd Amendment and the personal possession of weapons. (I'm betting that the decision is not going to be in favor of the NRA position.) Even if I were in favor of concealed carry, I sure would not be in favor of it on college campuses or even among the general public in that same age group.

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In one school shooting the number of deaths was 21, in my stance if students were allowed to carry guns there would be 1 death instead of 21.  

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That's not even remotely true. You think that at Virginia Tech, if 10,000 rowdy college kids were carrying hand guns, there would be less deaths? Absolutely not. Especially considering the situation, that there was a shooting on campus and they hadn't caught the shooter. So there'd be thousands of kids on campus which itchy trigger fingers, scared shitless that someone with a gun is out to kill (and yet they all have guns!). While I do agree that if someone in the class had a hand gun, they may have been able to defend themselves, overall, thousands of alcoholic rowdy college kids with guns is not a good thing.