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God wouldn't prove himself to you? You might be in for a rude awakening very soon. 
I meant to all of humanity. If he cares about us so much, wouldn't he prove himself with all of his power, like back in biblical times? Set a pile of logs that have been drenched in, what was it, 20 gallons of water on fire when someone prayed for it? Isn't it funny how all of this happens way back when there is no way to prove it, and it never happens now?
He does prove himself. All the tsunamis. All the hurricanes. Remember Katrina? He most def sent a message. And plus it says, "Do not put the Lord, your God, to the test." God doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. He does it frequently and on this own time. And plus, all that destruction happened in a certain time period. The fact that it happened long ago means nothing. We are in a certain time frame now. We're just awaiting the arrival of Jesus and the last great war. You choose your side.
A natural disaster proves nothing except how credulous humans are.
we might just be credulous. But to us, the christians, its a sign. If we believe that God created everything and will end everything, then we are going to naturally believe he controls what happens on this earth, such as disasters. Notice I dont say "natural." They are for a reason.
Why do blindly follow this faith? How do you even know if you are following the correct faith? If all these disasters happen for a reason, what is the reason? How do you know that there is a reason? And what about the scientific evidence that thoroughly explains the occurrence of these disasters?
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God wouldn't prove himself to you? You might be in for a rude awakening very soon.
I meant to all of humanity. If he cares about us so much, wouldn't he prove himself with all of his power, like back in biblical times? Set a pile of logs that have been drenched in, what was it, 20 gallons of water on fire when someone prayed for it? Isn't it funny how all of this happens way back when there is no way to prove it, and it never happens now?
He does prove himself. All the tsunamis. All the hurricanes. Remember Katrina? He most def sent a message. And plus it says, "Do not put the Lord, your God, to the test." God doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. He does it frequently and on this own time. And plus, all that destruction happened in a certain time period. The fact that it happened long ago means nothing. We are in a certain time frame now. We're just awaiting the arrival of Jesus and the last great war. You choose your side.
A natural disaster proves nothing except how credulous humans are.
we might just be credulous. But to us, the christians, its a sign. If we believe that God created everything and will end everything, then we are going to naturally believe he controls what happens on this earth, such as disasters. Notice I dont say "natural." They are for a reason.
Another question, why end it? Why should he end everything that we worked so hard on to build, invent, and create? That just isn't fair, it's like teasing a cat with a dead mouse just out of its reach. If he ends everything, then what was the point in making us? A game? Humor? Boredom?
you're right he doesn't have to end it. The way were living our lives, it will end anyway. But I think of religion and this world as a story book. You have your beginning and your body. Now all thats left is the ending. How about that? If we believe God created the earth and has a purpose, then naturally its going to have an ending and a purpose with it. Its not going to be boredom. humor.
Okay, I see your point. But, you didn't answer my main question. Why did he create us if he just wants to end us? If we end, then any point in creating us is automatically terminated. It was just a waste of his and our time.
To answer your main question...It was just all part of his plan. Hes the supreme being. Its hard to imagine that we were just part of a plan and have no purpose. But we are all part of his glory. You can think of it as were just puppets and hes the master, but life is just too hard and unfair to think like that. If you ask many people today why religion was even thought of, it was to escape harsh realities. Its easy for us to fall on a higher being and look for help. Now, with that said, does it make the religion aspect a made up thing. Thats truely in the eye of the beholder.
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Quote: from jamesish at 1:04 am on Mar. 11, 2008
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Quote: from jamesish at 12:09 am on Mar. 11, 2008
God wouldn't prove himself to you? You might be in for a rude awakening very soon.
I meant to all of humanity. If he cares about us so much, wouldn't he prove himself with all of his power, like back in biblical times? Set a pile of logs that have been drenched in, what was it, 20 gallons of water on fire when someone prayed for it? Isn't it funny how all of this happens way back when there is no way to prove it, and it never happens now?
He does prove himself. All the tsunamis. All the hurricanes. Remember Katrina? He most def sent a message. And plus it says, "Do not put the Lord, your God, to the test." God doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. He does it frequently and on this own time. And plus, all that destruction happened in a certain time period. The fact that it happened long ago means nothing. We are in a certain time frame now. We're just awaiting the arrival of Jesus and the last great war. You choose your side.
A natural disaster proves nothing except how credulous humans are.
we might just be credulous. But to us, the christians, its a sign. If we believe that God created everything and will end everything, then we are going to naturally believe he controls what happens on this earth, such as disasters. Notice I dont say "natural." They are for a reason.
Another question, why end it? Why should he end everything that we worked so hard on to build, invent, and create? That just isn't fair, it's like teasing a cat with a dead mouse just out of its reach. If he ends everything, then what was the point in making us? A game? Humor? Boredom?
you're right he doesn't have to end it. The way were living our lives, it will end anyway. But I think of religion and this world as a story book. You have your beginning and your body. Now all thats left is the ending. How about that? If we believe God created the earth and has a purpose, then naturally its going to have an ending and a purpose with it. Its not going to be boredom. humor.
Okay, I see your point. But, you didn't answer my main question. Why did he create us if he just wants to end us? If we end, then any point in creating us is automatically terminated. It was just a waste of his and our time.
To answer your main question...It was just all part of his plan. Hes the supreme being. Its hard to imagine that we were just part of a plan and have no purpose. But we are all part of his glory. You can think of it as were just puppets and hes the master, but life is just too hard and unfair to think like that. If you ask many people today why religion was even thought of, it was to escape harsh realities. Its easy for us to fall on a higher being and look for help. Now, with that said, does it make the religion aspect a made up thing. Thats truely in the eye of the beholder.
Personally, as I've said before, I don't believe that religion is just made up. Even I believe in something, the Subaudible. (BTW, nice usage of quote 'in the eye of the beholder'. well placed and thought out) Think of it this way: you know how strongly you believe in your religion, and you KNOW it's true. Well, so does a Buddhist. So does a Muslim. Do you get my point? Religion is like the number 23. Proof of some higher importance can be found everywhere, but how do you know that it just isn't coincidence? We'll continue this tomorrow, I gtg.
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Quote: from jasonzlpa at 2:13 am on Mar. 11, 2008
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Quote: from jamesish at 12:55 am on Mar. 11, 2008
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Quote: from aphex twin at 1:28 am on Mar. 11, 2008
Quote: from jamesish at 10:24 pm on Mar. 10, 2008
Quote: from jasonzlpa at 1:18 am on Mar. 11, 2008
Quote: from jamesish at 12:09 am on Mar. 11, 2008
God wouldn't prove himself to you? You might be in for a rude awakening very soon.
I meant to all of humanity. If he cares about us so much, wouldn't he prove himself with all of his power, like back in biblical times? Set a pile of logs that have been drenched in, what was it, 20 gallons of water on fire when someone prayed for it? Isn't it funny how all of this happens way back when there is no way to prove it, and it never happens now?
He does prove himself. All the tsunamis. All the hurricanes. Remember Katrina? He most def sent a message. And plus it says, "Do not put the Lord, your God, to the test." God doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. He does it frequently and on this own time. And plus, all that destruction happened in a certain time period. The fact that it happened long ago means nothing. We are in a certain time frame now. We're just awaiting the arrival of Jesus and the last great war. You choose your side.
A natural disaster proves nothing except how credulous humans are.
we might just be credulous. But to us, the christians, its a sign. If we believe that God created everything and will end everything, then we are going to naturally believe he controls what happens on this earth, such as disasters. Notice I dont say "natural." They are for a reason.
Another question, why end it? Why should he end everything that we worked so hard on to build, invent, and create? That just isn't fair, it's like teasing a cat with a dead mouse just out of its reach. If he ends everything, then what was the point in making us? A game? Humor? Boredom?
you're right he doesn't have to end it. The way were living our lives, it will end anyway. But I think of religion and this world as a story book. You have your beginning and your body. Now all thats left is the ending. How about that? If we believe God created the earth and has a purpose, then naturally its going to have an ending and a purpose with it. Its not going to be boredom. humor.
Okay, I see your point. But, you didn't answer my main question. Why did he create us if he just wants to end us? If we end, then any point in creating us is automatically terminated. It was just a waste of his and our time.
To answer your main question...It was just all part of his plan. Hes the supreme being. Its hard to imagine that we were just part of a plan and have no purpose. But we are all part of his glory. You can think of it as were just puppets and hes the master, but life is just too hard and unfair to think like that. If you ask many people today why religion was even thought of, it was to escape harsh realities. Its easy for us to fall on a higher being and look for help. Now, with that said, does it make the religion aspect a made up thing. Thats truely in the eye of the beholder.
Personally, as I've said before, I don't believe that religion is just made up. Even I believe in something, the Subaudible. (BTW, nice usage of quote 'in the eye of the beholder'. well placed and thought out) Think of it this way: you know how strongly you believe in your religion, and you KNOW it's true. Well, so does a Buddhist. So does a Muslim. Do you get my point? Religion is like the number 23. Proof of some higher importance can be found everywhere, but how do you know that it just isn't coincidence? We'll continue this tomorrow, I gtg.
I'll just respond now and you can respond later. I think we as christians have our own views of whats right and pleasing to God. My faith tells me Jesus is the only way. So what does that mean for a Buddhist, Muslim, or even a Islamist? My heaven is not their heaven. Another aspect to an athiest's (not calling you one) mind is using all the different types of religions and saying, "Well, tell me which one is true and what it means for the others." All I can say to that, as I said earlier, is I know the requirements for my heaven. Maybe its not the same as theirs. As far as coincidences go, all I can say is that new thoughts and whatever are coming out all the time. Its part of free will. I take it as God saying, "Well, James, I'm giving you some more options. Choose." And I can only hope I'm pleasing him by doing what I think is right.
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Personally, as I've said before, I don't believe that religion is just made up. Even I believe in something, the Subaudible. (BTW, nice usage of quote 'in the eye of the beholder'. well placed and thought out) Think of it this way: you know how strongly you believe in your religion, and you KNOW it's true. Well, so does a Buddhist. So does a Muslim. Do you get my point? Religion is like the number 23. Proof of some higher importance can be found everywhere, but how do you know that it just isn't coincidence? We'll continue this tomorrow, I gtg. I'll just respond now and you can respond later. I think we as christians have our own views of whats right and pleasing to God. My faith tells me Jesus is the only way. So what does that mean for a Buddhist, Muslim, or even a Islamist? My heaven is not their heaven. Another aspect to an athiest's (not calling you one) mind is using all the different types of religions and saying, "Well, tell me which one is true and what it means for the others." All I can say to that, as I said earlier, is I know the requirements for my heaven. Maybe its not the same as theirs. As far as coincidences go, all I can say is that new thoughts and whatever are coming out all the time. Its part of free will. I take it as God saying, "Well, James, I'm giving you some more options. Choose." And I can only hope I'm pleasing him by doing what I think is right. Well, if God really wants you to make it to heaven, then why does he give you other options? Is this a test of your faith? Does he want to see if you believe in him over the other more believable (sp?) religions. Christianity is a great religion, but it has many flaws, as well. If your God is so caring, then why should he give you other options that could ultimately send you and 97% of the human race to hell?
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1. Reality is objective.
2. Rationality is valid.
3. The rational validity and truth value of a statement is how well it conforms to objective reality. You accept these three premises implicitly when you engage in rational debate. 1. If reality is not objective then what is there to argue about? and who are arguing with? If reality is all in your mind, then arguing at all makes you irrational, because you would be arguing with yourself; and to do that you must hold two conflicting statements, both of which you completely believe to be true. 2. To claim that rationality is invalid requires the use of rational arguments. You cannot invalidate rationality. To do so would require using rational arguments, and thus require you to first accept rationality is valid. In this sense it is self evident truth; In this sense it is axiomatic. 2a. If rationality were not valid there would be no point in debate. The purpose of debate is to determine truth from falsehood. The validity of rationality presupposes debate. You accept that it is valid in order to debate in the first place. 3. When you argue with someone you accept that arguments can be either correct or incorrect, true or false. If you did not accept this then you'd be in agreement with everything the other said, and there'd be no argument. But how do you know what 'correct' is? And, further, how do you know you are 'correct' in knowing what 'correct' is? In other words, what is your measure of truth? If your measure of truth is not objective then why are you arguing? A statement which is 'true' to you may be 'false' to someone else. There could be no debate where 'truth is relative'. You accept that truth is absolute and objective when you begin debating. You accept this because without it there'd be no cause for debate and no purpose in debating. To argue that truth is relative is to be in contradiction with one's self. You would be arguing, using rational argument, that the [absolute and objective] truth is that: 'the truth is relative'. A solid contradiction. Thus, truth must be objective. Given that truth is objective, and that rationality is valid, and that reality is objective, how do we know that the rational validity (and truth value) of an argument is how well it conforms to reality? There are two ways we know this: 1. The first is experimental evidence; The evidence of the senses. If I make a statement: "objects more dense than air fall down". I can objectively test this statement against reality, by dropping objects. I can drop 100 objects and identify that all experimental data points toward this statement being correct. I can assert the statement is correct. I can be certain, because I have all the relevant knowledge, and there is no rational doubt. Certainty of course is not omniscience, but merely a rational standard of confidence based on available knowledge. A standard which is reached by lack of rational doubt and integration and conformity of all relevant facts without contradiction. 2. The second is historical evidence; All knowledge of reality has been discovered through the use of reason, and no valid knowledge has ever been discovered through any other method. The standard by which we separate belief from knowledge is its conformity to reality. You accept all of the above when you engage in debate, implicitly. To argue against any part, or the whole, is to contradict yourself. In order to debate you must accept these premises: 1. Reality is objective.
2. Rationality is valid.
3. The rational validity and truth value of a statement is how well it conforms to reality. To debate and not accept these premises is not to debate at all, but rather to irrationally make noise and expect people to respond in a certain way. If you're making the argument that God exists, you are using rationality to deny rationality. You are in contradiction with yourself.
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personally i dont believe in any sort of supreme being
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