It's something our mind cannot grasp though. Traveling back into the past or into the future. So many issues that have been speculated. This post isn't about time travel though. It's used as the concept to set up my point, so bare with me....

Time travel won't happen in our lifetime. But it's reasonable to think that hundreds of years from now  it will be possible on Earth. -- As far fetched as this sounds, I think we're looking at 100 years being the soonest. Most likely 150-200 years. But if you think about the technological advance between 1908 and 2008, it's reasonable to think we'll continue that impressive trend between 2008 and 2108

But all that got me thinking....if time travel is possible. Remember, we KNOW it is. Then there must be other things about this world and about human beings that we don't know....

What I'm getting at is that by thinking about the above, I now don't think the Earth is as simplistic as we think -- in terms of material things and such.

I don't believe in God, so that might be part of why I'm thinking like this. But religious people i think have even more of a reason to think on this level!

I'm not spiritual in any sense. Don't believe in God - as I said - or Ghosts, or Alien abductions.....I'm agnostic to all of that...but I wont believe until there's proof y know?

So I don't know what these unknown things about humans/Earth are. Obviously. But the time travel concept suggests at the very least different dimensions....

It's really fascinating to think about. We and this Earth have powers, abilities that not only do we not yet realize...but those that we do understand - like Time Travel - are beyond our current level of thinking....
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Take this to the next level. While this doesnt convince me there's a God, and it doesn't prove existence of God. It does signify that there's some mysterious thing/concept that we have yet to uncover....

However, time travel itself is an ability that is more than likely a negative than positive.. Being able to change the past could destroy our future; the planet itself, our economy, or society as a whole.

Given the scenario, if we'll be able to travel back in time, what other abilities may we acquire, which could be potentially harmful? Standing today, we've been given many capabilities which I do believe shouldn't have been extended into our reach. Humanity has an underestimated ability to manipulate what we have, to obtain what we desire. The knowledge to build to nuclear weapons, to declare war on a country for dominant power. The machinery to chop down one tree, to take down acres of forest.

I honestly think that sometimes, we are much too smart for our own good. We're giving ourselves the tools, and the knowledge, to slowly destroy what we already have. We're already beginning to acknowledge this, and a few major actions have been made, but it's still a bit terrifying of what we might be capable of in the future.

I'm a bit pessimistic. On the other hand, I agree with you on the religion part.

I agree with you on your timeline, but only because of this reason, if you note the trend of technological growth, it is exponential. flat through the early ages, then slowly rising until the 19th century when some real technology was being created then through the 20th when technological advances skyrocketed, it seems that we are "at the knee of the curve" if you will.
[that is, unless the curve it MUCH larger than we expected and we still have a while to go, and so much more to accomplish, regardless]

so yes, within the next century or two there will be MANY technological advances, let us assume now that one of those is time-travel.

I am not sure that one would be ABLE to travel back in time due to paradoxical restraints.
one could NOT interfere with the environment, the people, ANYTHING, because we do not know what would happen.
If you went back in time and tripped and fell while walking about, and someone helped you up, thus was retarded in his routine by 5 seconds, how might that effect the rest of the time-line. what if that 5 seconds changed history and time-travel was never invented, you are now in a paradox that CAN NOT occur.

for if you were to prevent time travel, by traveling back in time, how would you have traveled back to prevent it in the first place.

thats just something more to think about... oh, and this as well

think about this:
Though you may not believe in aliens there HAVE been many "sightings" and scriptures and whatnot, what if those UFO's were not aliens, but humans in the future, after finally discovering time-travel, and finding a way that would never interfere with the past [ie super fast undetectable probes or craft].
What if they are the scientists and researchers of the future, gone back to analyze the past?
there is some food for thought.

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Questions will arise: "What should we fix?" "What will happen in the future?" "We can save this guy...." "We can prevent this..."

History will not be written in stone anymore. It'll be chaos.

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What seems impossible today tends to be possible tomorrow.

What's more, I was watching a BBC Program (link below) about parrell universes. And they mentioned that there could be a universe where everything is the same except for slight differences -- one in which Al Gore is President, or one in which Napoleon was successful etc

Not saying I believe it, nor am I saying it's complete hogwash. But it does make you think. It's hard to get your head around it, but the mere fact that it's a possibility is interesting and worth a few mins of our time to contemplate.

I really do believe there's things about our world we do not know yet. I don't mean that to sound paranormal, magical, or mythical. But I was using time travel as an example of us not knowing everything yet.

I don't believe in God. So to me the simplistic answer of "God" to the question of where did we come from, what is the purpose of life -- is not good enough. That's the easy way out.

Cause clearly GOD IS NOT THE ANSWER. Science has proven things that were once believed to be the cause of God. For example, the stars and planets -- thousands of years ago, people believed God made the heavens move. We simply know that's not true.

So until we find out what happened before the big bang, what our purpose is here, without using God as an excuse, we will never know the full extent of our human capabilities, or the extent of earth or the universe.

But for you to rule out things like time travel because you simply can't fathom it is ignorance at its best.

time is intangible

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we can see the load on your tired old shoulders
mamma you're a trooper mamma you're a soldier
mamma you mean a lot to me

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I agree with you on your timeline, but only because of this reason, if you note the trend of technological growth, it is exponential. flat through the early ages, then slowly rising until the 19th century when some real technology was being created then through the 20th when technological advances skyrocketed, it seems that we are "at the knee of the curve" if you will.  
[that is, unless the curve it MUCH larger than we expected and we still have a while to go, and so much more to accomplish, regardless]

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Well, Skynet did invent time travel in the "Terminator" movies.  Personally, I don't believe in the Technological Singularity.  Technological advances seem to occur in fits and starts.  It seems kind of presumptuous to say that we can graph the level of tech that we'll have in the future.  Technological Singularity talk seems to be the techno-atheist's version of the Christian Rapture, but that's a story for another day.

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so yes, within the next century or two there will be MANY technological advances, let us assume now that one of those is time-travel.  

I am not sure that one would be ABLE to travel back in time due to paradoxical restraints. one could NOT interfere with the environment, the people, ANYTHING, because we do not know what would happen.

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If you went back in time and tripped and fell while walking about, and someone helped you up, thus was retarded in his routine by 5 seconds, how might that effect the rest of the time-line. what if that 5 seconds changed history and time-travel was never invented, you are now in a paradox that CAN NOT occur.  

for if you were to prevent time travel, by traveling back in time, how would you have traveled back to prevent it in the first place.  

thats just something more to think about... oh, and this as well

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think about this:  
Though you may not believe in aliens there HAVE been many "sightings" and scriptures and whatnot, what if those UFO's were not aliens, but humans in the future, after finally discovering time-travel, and finding a way that would never interfere with the past [ie super fast undetectable probes or craft].  
What if they are the scientists and researchers of the future, gone back to analyze the past?  
there is some food for thought.

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Quote: from rosebud at 5:27 am on Feb. 18, 2008

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time is intangible

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Post edited at 8:32 am on Feb. 18, 2008 by holysaiyan1

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Quote: from rosebud at 5:27 am on Feb. 18, 2008

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time is intangible

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Time is a dimension through which we can move.  Due to entropy, time moves foward.  Our normal movement through time is one-dimensional.  Two-dimensional motion through time (backwards and fowards) is of debatable possibility, however.

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i know, but it is still intangible. time is something totally different to the previous three, because it is not a measure/representation of physicality. i mean we dont experience 2d objects let alone 1. plus, just as there are laws in science at the 3rd dimension such as thermodynamics, i contest that so too shall there be on time if ever we develop the tools to examine it further. as it stands now and the foreseeable future is that we may be able to manipulate it very slightly through a secondary means but anything more than that is totally beyond us.

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mamma you're a trooper mamma you're a soldier
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Time travel through wormholes is something that is not even theoretically possible at this time. The equations that drive the black hole systems allow for black holes to exist within our realm (in other words, the tangible, number-based world that we know). Wormholes, in an over-simplified form, are two blackoles connected tail-to-tail, with one mouth as the entrance point and one as the exit. The problem arises within the point-of-connection for the tails of the black holes.

One black hole ends in a point of singularity, where an infinite amount of matter, basically, is crushed to within an infinitely small space. Therefore, when two of those points are to be combined, the systems of equations crash. It cannot be allowed.

Recently, it has been hypothesized that if anti-matter is used to hold open the point of singularity within a wormhole and something actually could get through, one could travel "faster than the speed of light." This, though, is also a misunderstood situation.

As of now (and I use that phrase based on the unlikely possibility of something else coming up one day), light is the fastest-travelling thing in existance. If we decided that we wanted to get from point A to point B in the universe as fastest as theoretically possible, normally, travelling at the speed of light would be the fastest way. However, wormholes can act as a shortcut for us.

The space-time continuum is a rounded plane. Basically, if you were to take a sheet of paper and fold it over with a rounded edge and top and bottom parallel to each other, you would have a general model of the continuum in which we live. In order for light to get from a point on one side of the universe (paper) to another on the other side of the universe (paper), it must go in a curved path. However, a wormhole would allow an adventurous traveller to go straight through, thus allowing him to travel a shorter distance than light. Therefore, the traveller is still technically only going the speed of light but is getting to his destination quicker.

This is where time comes in. Everything that we see is an image moving from one point to another at the speed of light. Therefore, if we are looking at a planet 8 light-years away, then at this moment, we are theoretically looking at how it was 8 years ago, because the image that it was producing 8 years ago is just now getting to our eyes. What is currently being hypothesized is, basically, that if we got far enough away from our planet via wormholes and looked back at it, we would be able to see our planet many, many years ago.

Ok, I'm going to end my post for now because I have been working on it since yesterday. I will check more into it and wait for replies. Feel free to respond or refute what I have presented.

~Legacy~

Post edited at 3:00 pm on Feb. 20, 2008 by Legacy

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