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For People That Believe In God!
Replies: 73Last Post Dec. 12, 2007 1:26am by King kong
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Quote: from mo15 at 11:21 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Quote: from SpM at 3:17 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

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Quote: from yarly at 3:08 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Have you heard of the Bing Bang?did you study it in school?If not google it.    
   Apes didn't evolve from nothing.

 
  Yes, but that still doesn't explain how they came from non-living matter.

 
 Abiogenesis.


That's never been proven.  The Law of Biogenesis actually disproves it.


Yeah, my comment was more a "hey, google this" than an assertion. But anyway. Could you explain how the law of biogenesis proves anything? Wiki isn't being very helpful and I'm not very educated in this area.

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Quote: from mo15 at 3:21 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Quote: from SpM at 3:17 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Quote: from mo15 at 11:16 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Quote: from yarly at 3:08 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Have you heard of the Bing Bang?did you study it in school?If not google it.    
   Apes didn't evolve from nothing.

 
  Yes, but that still doesn't explain how they came from non-living matter.

 
 Abiogenesis.


That's never been proven.  The Law of Biogenesis actually disproves it.


The law of biogenesis has to do with spontaneous generation, not abiogenesis in the sense SpM means it.

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Quote: from SpM at 3:24 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Quote: from mo15 at 11:21 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Quote: from SpM at 3:17 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

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Quote: from yarly at 3:08 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Have you heard of the Bing Bang?did you study it in school?If not google it.
  Apes didn't evolve from nothing.

 
  Yes, but that still doesn't explain how they came from non-living matter.


  Abiogenesis.

 
 That's never been proven. The Law of Biogenesis actually disproves it.


Yeah, my comment was more a "hey, google this" than an assertion. But anyway. Could you explain how the law of biogenesis proves anything? Wiki isn't being very helpful and I'm not very educated in this area.


It simply states that life cannot arise from non-life, and it's supported by many experiments and the fact that no one has ever actually done it.  I'm not incredibly educated either, I've been looking into it but most of the extent of my knowledge was a short report I did in biology on abiogenesis vs biogenesis and Redi's/Pasteur's experiments.

I generally try and stay away from these topics just because they only go in circles, and I'm not an exceptional science whiz.  I just know basics as well as what I believe.

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Quote: from mo15 at 11:30 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

It simply states that life cannot arise from non-life,

Well, quoting from Wiki (which I know isn't always reliable):


This is sometimes called "law of biogenesis" and shows that life does not currently spontaneously arise in nature in its present forms from non-life.

That's not what anyone is arguing.


and it's supported by many experiments and the fact that no one has ever actually done it.

Just because we haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's impossible. Do you know the names of the experiments?

I generally try and stay away from these topics just because they only go in circles, and I'm not an exceptional science whiz.  I just know basics as well as what I believe.

It's LiveWire. Everything goes in circles.

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Abiogenesis is theoretically possible. Even intelligent creationists accept that.

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I think it's strange that some people believe life is a miraculous and complex thing that can't possibly be an accident.  If you happen to drop a rock out of a car moving down the freeway at 80mph and give the result to a 4 month old baby who has never seen a broken rock before, I'm sure the baby will think the rock is a miraculous and complex thing.

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Quote: from SpM at 3:35 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

Quote: from mo15 at 11:30 pm on Dec. 10, 2007

It simply states that life cannot arise from non-life,

Well, quoting from Wiki (which I know isn't always reliable):


This is sometimes called "law of biogenesis" and shows that life does not currently spontaneously arise in nature in its present forms from non-life.

That's not what anyone is arguing.


and it's supported by many experiments and the fact that no one has ever actually done it.

Just because we haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's impossible. Do you know the names of the experiments?

I generally try and stay away from these topics just because they only go in circles, and I'm not an exceptional science whiz. I just know basics as well as what I believe.

It's LiveWire. Everything goes in circles.


You can try searching Redi's experiment and Pasteur's experiment, those were the ones I had to research on.  

I'm not dismissing the fact that it's possible, I'm just saying it's never yet been proven and I still find the whole life/non-life thing highly unlikely.  


But, like I said... my creation/evolution knowledge does not extend into great deatail, but on the knowledge I have it seems to come down to two choices, both of which are hard to comprehend.  

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Because everything we understand has a cause.
 

 If everything has a cause, why doesn't God have a cause? Alternately, why must the original cause be God?


Because that's what I, and many, choose to call the original cause.


It's not about what you're calling it, it's about what you're defining it as.
You aren't going to get a logical reasoning for God- it doesn't exist. Faith is the best thing you'll be able to come up with for God.

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my faith...

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because it faith.

Somthing had to start the unverse and life

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Quote: from King kong at 12:50 am on Dec. 12, 2007

because it faith.  

Somthing had to start the unverse and life


Self-organizing energy networks emerging into primitive reproducing protein molecules and then natural selection begins and evolution takes over. We have produced self-replicating proteins in the laboratory, and formed several of the building blocks for life such as sugars, nucleotides, proteins etc.

There has actually been done quite a lot of research into the area:

Genesis: The Scientific Quest for Life's Origins
The Emergence of Life: From Chemical Origins to Synthetic Biology
Life's Origin: The Beginnings of Biological Evolution
The Emergence of Life on Earth: A Historical and Scientific Overview

In principle, even abiogenesis should not be a threat to Christians. You've discovered how "God" "made" life.

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Science is for robots.

Religion is for the insane.

I like to be in the middle of being a robot & insane.

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Quote: from Gator Nation at 1:04 am on Dec. 12, 2007

Science is for robots.

Religion is for the insane.

I like to be in the middle of being a robot & insane.


Science is for the intelligent. Religion is for the insane. Science all the way.

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Quote: from Moridin at 1:01 am on Dec. 12, 2007

Quote: from Gator Nation at 1:04 am on Dec. 12, 2007

Science is for robots.  

 Religion is for the insane.  

 I like to be in the middle of being a robot & insane.


Science is for the intelligent. Religion is for the insane. Science all the way.


your so funny posting stupid coments, wait your serius.  

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