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Carthaginian Victory
Replies: 5Last Post Dec. 31, 2007 1:35am by obvious child
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What does that metaphor mean?

It's obviously a metaphor for something, but I'm not entirely sure.

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is it a metaphor for whipping out some elephants when it's least expected and kicking asses?

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I doubt it. I think it has something to do with the inability to transfer battle victories to winning the war. But i'm not sure.

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That's a Pyrrhic victory.                                                              

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Quote: from BrAysian at 11:08 pm on Dec. 28, 2007

That's a Pyrrhic victory.                                                              


Pyrrhic victory tends to refer to winning the battle, but the victory costed you more than it was worth.

Carthiginian victory then would seem to be winning a battle, but not the war. It could be a Pyrrhic victory, but it could also not be. For example, Hannibal's victories in Italy during the 2nd Punic War were great victories - certainly more than Pyrrhic victories. But despite his great victories, the Romans still went on to beat the Carthiginians, climaxing at the Battle of Zama which ended the 2nd Punic War.

So I'd guess a Carthiginian victory would refer to being able to win battles, but not the campaign.  Sort of like winning the majority of the battles, but not being able to win the strategic ones which matter. I suppose it's not mutually exclusive from a Pyrrhic victory, but it's not necessarily the same thing either.

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It's definitely Carthaginian victory and I agree with Bud. I don't think it's remotely related at all with Pyrrhic, especially since Hannibal managed to fight for years winning victory after victory without reinforcements.

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