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LoveKay
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Back home, the country I come from, we didn't feed our pets pet food like dog food and cat food, and all that shit. We fed them what we had because our country is poor. We fed them anything we were able to eat--food, leftovers... Our pets were always happy, and never starving, and never had problems.
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4:03 pm on Jan. 11, 2008 | Joined Dec. 2007 | 32 Days Active Join to learn more about LoveKay Wyoming, United States | Straight Female | 1057 Posts | 4023 Points
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AKAben
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my grandmas dogs love eating vegetables =/
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6:32 pm on Jan. 14, 2008 | Joined Jan. 2008 | 42 Days Active Join to learn more about AKAben England, United Kingdom | Straight Male | 182 Posts | 727 Points
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JennyColada
I'm watching you.
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I am all about feeding dogs meat, but I'd prefer to cook it myself. My mom cooks chicken and beef for her dogs, and mixes in some whole grain rice and/or carrots and peas. It's pretty cheap, as she buys the meat when it's on special, cooks it, then freezes it in individual portions in the freezer.
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countrified
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This topic is a touchy one. It is true, that some animals benefit from a raw diet. At the same time, as many animals do well on a regular dog/cat food diet. The main reason that animals get sick from pet food bought in a grocery store is that their owners are not educated about how to properly feed their pet. Raw foods are good because they can be digested easier than dry or wet pet food. Raw food also contains more enzymes and nutrients. The problem that can occur with raw foods are that people are buying food for their pets that are intended for human consumption. The meat that we get from the butcher or grocery store is processed and packaged for people. The raw meat that animals were made to eat is the fresh raw meat that is caught in the wild. The animals that we are feeding are domesticated and have "evolved" to handle the food made by man. There is nothing wrong with a raw diet as long as you know what you are doing. The best meat to get is the freshest you can find. In order for your pet to benefit the most from a raw diet is to mix meat and vegetables. The vegetables are necessary to provide the nutrients for their diet that meat lacks. In the wild, carnivores get their plant source from their prey's GI tract. But you need to be careful when feeding vegetables. Carnivores cannot breakdown plant cell walls easily, so vegetables need to be slightly cooked so that they can get as much nutrients out of them as possible. Bones are also, not bad for your carnivorous pet. It's true that raw bones do not splinter or break teeth like cooked bones can. But when you are introducing your pet to raw bones, you must be careful. Dogs especially can get excited and eat bones to quickly, this can cause GI obstruction which in turn can end up in the dog needing surgery to remove the obstruction. Cats are not as likely to suffer from GI obstruction, but it can occur. The biggest thing to be careful of when you are sticking with a raw diet is to watch the fat content. Fat is very dense and is hard for dogs and cats to digest. I have seen several small dogs die because their owners fed them too much fat. One example is hot dogs. Never feed a small dog a whole or even half of a hot dog, this could kill them. What it all comes down to is that all animals are different and have different nutritional needs. Yes, it is a good idea to check with your vet when deciding to change your pets diet or when you are trying to figure out what diet you want to start your young pet on. Personally I feed my animals dry food from my local grocery store. All three of my pets are as healthy as can be. They do catch small wild prey in the summertime, but other than that, they stick with what I provide for them. I know this is rather long and this isn't mu topic, but I thought it might help some.
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Silencedx
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Just thought I'd add something: Dogs are not carnivores, they are opportunistic omnivores. The only true carnivores are those of the genus felis. Wild wolves do pick at berries and actually do eat the stomach content of prey if it had recently had a little snack. Dogs will often choose a fruit, vegetable, or grain over meat. Due to the poor diet of animals raised in factory farms, the meat [and, yes, this includes 'organic' meat too unless you personally know who it was raised by and have seen the farms] lacks many nutrients that are necessary for a healthy dog. They also contain harmful antibiotics and hormones. The ways they slaughter the animals causes them to release large amounts of adrenaline which ends up in the meat. In order to make up for the nutrients the meat lacks, you would have to feed fruits and vegetables. The only problem is that dogs are unable to digest cellulose due to their short gastrointestinal tract. Essentially, adding in these nutrients gets no results. Another thing about the short GI tracts is that dogs have much less time to absorb the nutrients from raw meat. It is out of their bodies before they have absorbed everything they need. Cooking the meat makes the proteins much easier to break down. Sure, it breaks down some of the nutrients but the loss is much less compared to the loss in raw feeding. My last point is recommending that someone just drop their kibble [some of which is probably nutritionally balanced, in some peoples' cases] and feed raw even though they may know nothing about canine nutrition isn't very good. Just deciding one day to feed a dog raw chicken will not make it healthier - it can be detrimental to their health. 'Nuff said.
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DancinOnTheMoon
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I agree with Silencedx and countrified on the topic of raw diets. I do no not think you should ever feed a dog on just raw meat. You should add vegetables, eggs, etc. It can be a great thing if someone knows exactly what they're doing, but the general population does noy. Also, you assume everyone feeds a grocery store brand dog food. All of the benefits of a raw diet you have listed can also be gotten from a premium kibble. I saw all of those improvements and more in my dogs after switching them to Timberwolf Organics. With dog food, the general rule is you get what you pay for. Post edited at 2:25 pm on Feb. 9, 2008 by DancinOnTheMoon
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SurfinFlowerBre
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My dog hunts and eats his kill. I get the basic Ol'Roy food. its great
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lucysmusicbox
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wow, very interesting. i'm going to look into this more -- thanks for your in depth post :)
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shorty 22
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Raw meat feeding to animals is most definately the wrong way! Wild animals do eat raw meat, however that meat has not been chemically processed and preserved, and does not contain as many harmful parasites. Feeding house pets puts the animal as well as the owner at risk for salmonella poisoning. Meat sold in stores DOES contain harmful bacteria, however thoroughly cooking the meat kills this bacteria.
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