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Ethical Dilemma
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You can only rescue one of each of the following, which do you save? And why?

a) A child or an adult

b) A stranger or your dog

c) Hitler or lassie

d) Your spouse or a Nobel Laureate

e) A dog or a weasel

f) Your entire family or the entire canine species

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother who
just gave you one of his kidneys

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a) A child or an adult_ Adult, assuming they are alraedy doing good for the world, the child could end up fucking up.

b) A stranger or your dog-stranger, my dog I will miss but to all the eople who loved the starnger there pain would be worse.

c) Hitler or lassie Hitler, his poor chocies and regin of terror taught the world soemthing, and has effected the way we treat people.

d) Your spouse or a Nobel Laureate my spouse, always comes first.

e) A dog or a weasel What impact dose a weasle have, my dog of course.

f) Your entire family or the entire canine species Canines have a valuble role in the world, sniff bombs help the blind, I'd chose them.

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother The cure for cancer will save millions

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother who
just gave you one of his kidneys Still the cancer.




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a) A child - A child has more of a life to live than an adult does.

b) A stranger - As hard as that would be, a stranger is more significant than my pet.

c) Lassie - I think. I don't know. Maybe Hitler. Despite what he did, he was a good leader and an intelligent man.

d) My spouse - I have to be selfish on this one.

e) A dog - I don't know why.  

f) My entire family - I have to be selfish on this one, too.  

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer - I don't know if I would change my mind if the actual situation ever came up, but it'd be wiser to choose the bottle.

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer - It'd still be a hard situation, but I think my brother would rather me choose the bottle over him.

Post edited at 6:45 pm on Aug. 10, 2007 by JustBe

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a) Child, more life left to live yadda yadda yadda.

b) A stranger as people>dogs in most cases, but not the case in c)

c) as Lassie was a damned good dog, and even if I wanted to save hitler think how much stick I'd get from the jews.

d) My spouse. I'd have a much happier life with her alive than with someone who I don't know alive even if they contribute a lot to society.

e) Dog, just as an arbitrary decision. They're, on the whole, cuter.

f) Now this was a tough one. My first thought was "my family, duh" but losing the entire canine species would TOTALLY fuck up the ecosystem, so I don't know about that. Assuming no knock on effects, my family for the same reason as d)

g) Cure for cancer, just because it affects so many people.

h) Same as g). no difference.

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a) A child or an adult  
Objectively, the choice shouldn't be obvious. Each has an equal right to life and both should be valued the same. The child, just because he has more life to live, isn't any more deserving than the adult; it's uncertain whether by choice or circumstance the child's life may be shortened during the course of his lifetime. The adult and child have the same potential, realized or incipient -- it can't be qualified. But, there's a better chance of getting laid if I save the adult. I choose the adult.

b) A stranger or your dog  
A stranger. Well, duh.

c) Hitler or lassie  
Hitler. Human life is more valuable than a dog's.  

d) Your spouse or a Nobel Laureate  
On the same token as "a", objectively, both deserve life equally, but since I presumably love my wife more: my wife. What if they were the same person. *swoons*

e) A dog or a weasel  
A dog. A dog is man's best friend. Duh.

f) Your entire family or the entire canine species  
Ain't no such thing as a canine species, but there is a Canidae family. I presume you mean Canis lupus familiaris, the pet variety. If so, since this species is domesticated and has little impact on any ecosystem -- and in turn us humans -- I would choose my family.

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother  
The cure for cancer; I could potentially save the life of other relatives whose lives are threatened by cancer.

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother who  
just gave you one of his kidneys

Same as g; same reasoning.

Post edited at 5:48 pm on Aug. 13, 2007 by Peregrine

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I'll disclaim all my answers that I make these decisions based on this being the only available information about the people who need rescuing:

a) A child or an adult

A child, because an adult is more likley to have had the opportunity for salvation and made a decision on it than a child.

b) A stranger or your dog

A stranger.  A human life always takes precedent over that of an animal.

c) Hitler or lassie

Hitler.  A human life always takes precedent over that of an animal.

d) Your spouse or a Nobel Laureate

My spouse.  I pity anyone's spouse who doesn't answer this.  I would save Ashley before anything else on this list.

e) A dog or a weasel

A dog has a greater utility.

f) Your entire family or the entire canine species

My family.  A human life always takes precedent over that of an animal or even an entire species of animal.

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother

This is the only hard one, because in general I don't adhere to a utilitarian ethos which would say that it was for the greater good to let my brother die to save many others.  I think the final decision, based only on this information would be to save my brother.

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother who  just gave you one of his kidneys

This isn't actually a different situation thant he above.  The brother again.

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a) A child, the adult can save himself. The child has more life to live anyways

b) my dog, I love my dog too much to let her burn

c) Hitler, but I'd make him promise to not exterminate jews. I never liked Lassie anyways

d) Spouse, because unfortunately I do not know what a laourette is

e) A dog, simply because I'd be to freaked out to pick up a weasel

f) I like Pereguines answer, Ain't no such thing as a canine species, but there is a Canidae family. I presume you mean Canis lupus familiaris, the pet variety. If so, since this species is domesticated and has little impact on any ecosystem -- and in turn us humans -- I would choose my family.

g) My brother, the world is over populated anyways. No matter how cruel I sound

h) look at G, it looks like you expected people to choose cancer

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a) Adult.

The adult knows what he's losing, he knows what's going on. If it were a teenager, I'd save the teenager instead of the adult.

b) My dog. I have no business with the stranger and I would be very suspicious of a scenario whereas both my dog and a stranger were dying together.

c) Lassie. Lassie was a god.

d) My spouse. Why the fuck would I not give her priority.

e) A dog. That's like asking if you would rather save the life of an Eagle or a rat.

f) My entire family. They're dogs I mean sure I like them but my family is a lot more important.

g) My brother (no fucking brainer). I would sacrifice all life on earth to save my brother.

h) My brother though I would never let him give me a kidney.

Post edited at 8:34 pm on Aug. 11, 2007 by medjai


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We may preach, but when push comes to shove...

Personal ethics are never clear cut, black & white.
Human psychology & ideology, tend to be wild card
factors, in our everyday ethical dilemmas.

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I assume that any man has the virtue he proclaims until provided evidence otherwise. Calling some preacher man a hypocrite or stating that when push comes to shove things are different and are a wild card is a bullshit statement for you to make unless you've been there when push came to shove and you shoved your own ideals down your throat to bare a burden that you didn't want to bare.

In other words unless you've been there when the shit has hit the fan you shouldn't presume to know anything about whether or not personal integrity and pride and proclaimed ethics (or preaching) are still held fast by those in the line of fire.


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Quote: from medjai at 12:57 pm on Aug. 12, 2007

I assume that any man has the virtue he proclaims until provided evidence otherwise. Calling some preacher man a hypocrite or stating that when push comes to shove things are different and are a wild card is a bullshit statement for you to make unless you've been there when push came to shove and you shoved your own ideals down your throat to bare a burden that you didn't want to bare.

In other words unless you've been there when the shit has hit the fan you shouldn't presume to know anything about whether or not personal integrity and pride and proclaimed ethics (or preaching) are still held fast by those in the line of fire.


Are the punctuation keys on your keyboard not functional?
They would really help, especially when one's rambling.

And, in keeping in line with the poor traditions of this thread,
don't you mean 'bear a burden'? Unless you actually meant
to 'strip down' or 'expose' your burden? Can one do that?

Since we're discussing personal ethics, it's not presumptuous.

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A pedant with some kind of hard on for those with an eye for punctuation should garner some writing ability himself and learn about the rhythm of speech. You possess the writing style of some kind of kid with Asperger's syndrome or even that of a social retard. Your pathetic attempt at attention to detail will impress no one, and you'll never outwit me with the kind of shit you're pulling.

You should certainly note that whenever I take liberty with grammar or punctuation it is suspicious, as I'm better at the English language than you could ever dream to be.  

Congratulations on confirming my suspicion that you somehow take attempts to improve your understanding or your own word choice as attacks on your intelligence rather than simple bumps of friendly advice. It's too bad that your obsessive compulsive behavior can't be put to use in a more interesting or useful venue, such as substance within a discussion or a real point beyond a pathetic attempt at a criticism of "punctuation."

Don't pretend your rhetoric regarding bare was anything but an bad attempt at a subtlety.

As for your idiotic attempt at my choice of the word "bare" instead of "bear" you simply show a lack of reading comprehension. A common context of 'bare' is that of bringing into plain view, to be presented something as undeniable, obvious, blatant, or in your face (in other words, the presentation of an emergency in such an obvious manner as say, a man pointing a gun at a child and an adult saying "Choose, if you don't I'm shooting them both."

Additionally, in proper circumstance, bare being archaic bear as well, can be used in its place if an author feels it so appropriate.

The best part, sophos, is that I don't need a dictionary to tell me this.

If you have nothing of substance to post, don't post at all, you're not an intellectual because you can make attempts at someone's grammar or someone's word choice. It's fine to correct someone but at least provide some additional insight to the topic at hand so you don't look like a douche.

I was pointing out the undeniable ignorance and hubris required to presume knowledge of how one's integrity or sworn courses of action might be conducted on in such a situation as grave knowledge were presented to them, bare and in a state of need for immediate action (I hope this is clearer as certainly I was rambling before). This being the case at least insomuch as those making the assumptions have not been in a situation whereas their own honor was compromised in an emergency of challenging ethic.

Basically friend, don't be an annoying little prick just to appear intelligent as it doesn't work here and no one gives a flying shit if you can look up words in your dictionary, comprehension is an expectation as much as meaningful contribution.

Post edited at 11:14 pm on Aug. 11, 2007 by medjai


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Quote: from medjai at 2:12 pm on Aug. 12, 2007

...whenever I take liberty with grammar or punctuation it is suspicious,
as I'm better at the English language than you could ever dream to be.

My, my, my... and I didn't even hand you the shovel, being your friend, and all.

Is this solecistic post, a demonstration of your prowess and command of English?

As for my view on the topic at hand, read my post, then re-read it. You'll eventually get it.
Comprehensibility is a fairly important prerequisite to comprehension. You have neither.

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a) A child or an adult  
A child, the potential for life is greater.

b) A stranger or your dog  
A stranger. Human life is more valuable than an animal's.

c) Hitler or lassie  
Hitler. Human life is more valuable than an animal's.  

d) Your spouse or a Nobel Laureate  
My spouse. Love for your spouse should be supreme.

e) A dog or a weasel  
A dog. Weasels are yucky.

f) Your entire family or the entire canine species  
Family. A human life is always more valuable than that of an animal's

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother  
My brother. I am not a utilitarian, and I refuse to live my life based on potential greater good.

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother who just gave you one of his kidneys
my brother, same answer as above.

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Quote: from barnabas at 7:11 am on Aug. 12, 2007

e) A dog or a weasel    
A dog. Weasels are yucky.  

Ladies and gentlemen, the pride of the Intellectual Forum.

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