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Ethical Dilemma
Replies: 52Last Post Jan. 4 11:08am by john cena54
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sophos


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Quote: from medjai at 7:55 am on Aug. 14, 2007

sophos you're still not getting it, no one cares.

I can't, because I don't either.



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Quote: from sophos at 11:42 am on Aug. 14, 2007

Quote: from Peregrine at 3:27 pm on Aug. 14, 2007

...you use like improperly; it can't be used as a conjunction.

Et tu, Peregrine?

According to current conventions, the word 'like' can be used as
a noun, verb, adverb, adjective, preposition, and conjunction.

Here are two literary giants, doing just that...

"It is astonishing how they raven down scenery  
like children do sweetmeats." John Keats

"And yet no man like he doth grieve my heart."
Juliet, from William Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet

Here endeth the lesson.


haha.....

I must say, your logic skills are only matched by garden spade.


read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority#Appeal_to_authority_as_logical_fallacy


point 2 even if it were not a logical fallacy to make an arguement out of two men this way, the point about your trying to make about current coventions would be seroiusally weakened by the fact shakespeare hasn't written anything since his death in 1616, nor has Keats since his death in 1821.

What kind of authority are these two people for CURRENT lingual trends?

gez, fucktard, stop being so damn stupod.

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sophos


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Quote: from Blackadder at 2:21 pm on Aug. 16, 2007

What kind of authority are these two people for CURRENT lingual trends?

It would help if one actually knew how to read.

The current conventions, to which you so vociferously pointed,
were referring to the various permissible usages.

On the other hand, the two authorities, which were cited as
examples in usage
, quoted on a totally separate paragraph,
had absolutely nothing to do with the former reference.

Take some time, and read it again. It'll sink in. Eventually.



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a) A child or an adult
The child.  This isn't saying hold old the adult is - they could be 18 or 81, but if they're 81, then they're nearly dead anyway.  

b) A stranger or your dog
The stranger - I'm not very attatched to animals in general.

c) Hitler or lassie
Lassie.  

d) Your spouse or a Nobel Laureate
My husband.  This one was more difficult, but I think I would be able to deal with the grief of having lost the Nobel Laureate better than I could losing my husband.

e) A dog or a weasel
Dog.  

f) Your entire family or the entire canine species
My family.  

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother
The cure for cancer.  

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother who
just gave you one of his kidneys.  
The cure for cancer.  This one was more difficult, but still.  


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On the other hand, the two authorities, which were cited as
examples in usage, quoted on a totally separate paragraph,
had absolutely nothing to do with the former reference.

if they had nothing to do with the former reference then why the fuck were they quoted?


and BTW, examples or not, unlinked/linked to the first paragraph...or not....it was still a false appeal to authority -- you attempted to strengthen your point by saying "hey these two big boys did, so i can"



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I think the point is more or less that in the context of what you pretense as formal discussion is that it's in bad taste to begin a paragraph with a conjunction, as one implies the continuation of a thought whereas the other implies a new one.

Little Known Fact: You're not Shakespeare.

More importantly, both examples you showed wrote in such a way as to make sense in starting their sentences the way they did. Yours did not follow a similar mechanic or aesthetic, and so was therefore full of fail.

lol I can't keep writing like this.

Post edited at 4:48 pm on Aug. 16, 2007 by medjai


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Quote: from medjai at 4:46 pm on Aug. 16, 2007

I think the point is more or less that in the context of what you pretense as formal discussion is that it's in bad taste to begin a paragraph with a conjunction, as one implies the continuation of a thought whereas the other implies a new one.

Little Known Fact: You're not Shakespeare.

More importantly, both examples you showed wrote in such a way as to make sense in starting their sentences the way they did. Yours did not follow a similar mechanic or aesthetic, and so was therefore full of fail.

lol I can't keep writing like this.


I just stopped. Grammar jerk-circles aren't fun, especially when arguing nuance.

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sophos


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Quote: from Blackadder at 4:26 pm on Aug. 16, 2007

 if they had nothing to do with the former reference
then why the f*** were they quoted?

In reiteration, the quotes were cited as examples in usage.

Don't be disheartened, by your inability to grasp these simple concepts.
Dyslexia is a highly treatable condition. You'll just have to read slowly.


Quote: from medjai at 4:46 pm on Aug. 16, 2007


...it's in bad taste to begin a paragraph with a conjunction, as one
implies the continuation of a thought whereas the other implies a new one.

More importantly, both examples you showed wrote in such a way as
to make sense in starting their sentences the way they did.


The examples, to which you referred, in your stuporous interjection,
were in fact examples, to demonstrate the usage of the word 'like'.
Notwithstanding this errant observation, conjunctions can be used
in commencing sentences, regardless of context.

AND here endeth, yet another lesson.



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Quote: from sophos at 6:01 am on Aug. 17, 2007

Quote: from Blackadder at 4:26 pm on Aug. 16, 2007  

 if they had nothing to do with the former reference  
then why the f*** were they quoted?

 

In reiteration, the quotes were cited as examples in usage.  

Don't be disheartened, by your inability to grasp these simple concepts.  
Dyslexia is a highly treatable condition. You'll just have to read slowly.  

 
Quote: from medjai at 4:46 pm on Aug. 16, 2007  


...it's in bad taste to begin a paragraph with a conjunction, as one  
implies the continuation of a thought whereas the other implies a new one.  

More importantly, both examples you showed wrote in such a way as  
to make sense in starting their sentences the way they did.


 

The examples, to which you referred, in your stuporous interjection,  
were in fact examples, to demonstrate the usage of the word 'like'.  
Notwithstanding this errant observation, conjunctions can be used  
in commencing sentences, regardless of context.  

AND here endeth, yet another lesson.  


You're such an ass.  

Oh, and you've a number of poor style choices in your post (not to mention the pretentious agony you've made us suffer through). I suggest you treasure hunt.

Post edited at 12:55 pm on Aug. 17, 2007 by Peregrine

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sophos


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Quotes from Peregrine

You both suck at style.

You're pretentious as f***.

Dude, why are you being such a pr***?

You're such an ass.

Irony, thy name is Peregrine.



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I'm going to be honest even though I know some of these aren't so smart. lol.

A. Honestly depends on the situation. But a child if it is a common scenario your indicating.

B. My dog for sure.

C. Lassie. Unless it would severely change time.

D. My spouse.

E. Depends. Probably dog unless it were attacking the weasel.

F. My family.

G. Thats a hard one...I just can't say. I want to say cancer but it's my brother.

H. Same as above.

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sophos, you are positively the most grating, obtusest, most ersatz persona broadcasting on this forum and we would all profit from you terminating your unremitting affiliation with this locality.

Wording courtesy of Microsoft Word Thesaurus.

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 5:56 pm on Aug. 25, 2007

sophos, you are positively the most grating, obtusest, most
ersatz persona broadcasting on this forum and we would all profit
from you terminating your unremitting affiliation with this locality.


You're familiar with my work, then?

"Mislike me not for my complexity."



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a) A child or an adult

A child, because s/he has longer to live. If i had more info about the 2 individuals tho, it'd override this reason as any length and/or worth of life is fundamentally hypothetical.


b) A stranger or your dog

My dog. It's not "fair", but i don't care. And i have no gripes about not caring. I'm not sure if i will actually do this when things come up though.

c) Hitler or lassie
...who/what's lassie?

d) Your spouse or a Nobel Laureate
Spouse. Same as B.

e) A dog or a weasel
i'm pretty apathetic here. maybe the dog if it was cute. yes i said it.

f) Your entire family or the entire canine species
whats with the human vs animal comparison in this thing, gah. the former.

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother
oooh, hrm.

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother who
 just gave you one of his kidneys

Lol. Depends on the emotions i have resulting from the kidney-donating episode. y'know when people do stuff and things happen and bonds form? depends on that.

So yeah, my fluctuating and unreliable emotions play a big role in what i'd decide and i'm fine with that.


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a) A child or an adult
of course, it would depend totally on other elements (disabilities etc), but aside from that, probably an adult, i'm not entirely sure why, i just feel like there's more to lose

b) A stranger or your dog
A stranger -- most humans are worth than my dog

c) Hitler or lassie
Hitler, most definitely, he's an interesting guy, lassie is not interesting.

d) Your spouse or a Nobel Laureate
probably spouse, i'm selfish like that

e) A dog or a weasel
dog, don't like weasels

f) Your entire family or the entire canine species
Family, dogs aren't worth that much

g) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother
the cure for cancer -- worth so much more than any human

h) A bottle with the cure for cancer or your brother who
just gave you one of his kidneys
the cure for cancer -- worth so much more than any human

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