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What Psychiatrists think vs. what you think
Replies: 23Last Post July 2, 2008 6:35pm by duesxmachina
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I've been medicated in one form or another since the 7th grade (i am 19 now). if that doesn't say something bad, you must be brain damaged. i've been given adhd, bipolar disorder, and (drumroll please) personality disorder. and i can't even buy alcohal yet!
being on lithium, the ultimate drug of drugs, im deciding to take matters in my own hands. im slowly getting off it because i don't feel feelings anymore, and feelings tend to lead you in life. im going nowwhere cause i feel nothing.
what does this say about america today? i want to know what right someone has to completely reconfigure your emotions for you? especially if your only 12? what else is there to do? im pissed.

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i think they are not compleatly right, like they may be able to recognize things you cant about your behaviors, but when diagnosing you, its just a guessing game.

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Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.

Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...

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Only you can decide what is right for you.  If your life is fuller without medication, especially if you won't be a threat to yourself or other, you should take yourself off it.

You also may want to get a second, third, or fourth opinion.  Don't just listen to one psychiatrist.  Maybe a different doctor would give you a smaller dose or a different medication.  Maybe that would help.

Best of luck, darling.  PM me anytime.  :)

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Quote: from silverbullets at 7:59 pm on June 29, 2008

i think they are not compleatly right, like they may be able to recognize things you cant about your behaviors, but when diagnosing you, its just a guessing game.

There is a diagnostic book that has the symptoms of every disorder known to the medical world. It's not just a guess.

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Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008

Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.

Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...



rar!

when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me!

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Quote: from duesxmachina at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008

Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.  

 Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...



rar!

when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me!


Is it worse than being a miserable fuck that everyone doesn't want to be associated with? I know someone who's bipolar and personality disorder and she can't keep a friend.

As for what does it say about America.... how is it a statement about America's standards?

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Quote: from motorhead at 5:01 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from silverbullets at 7:59 pm on June 29, 2008

i think they are not compleatly right, like they may be able to recognize things you cant about your behaviors, but when diagnosing you, its just a guessing game.

There is a diagnostic book that has the symptoms of every disorder known to the medical world. It's not just a guess.



diagnostic is one story
actually CURING someone is a completely different story
when they give meds it is a guessing game



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Quote: from motorhead at 5:09 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from duesxmachina at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008

Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.

  Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...


 
 rar!  

 when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me!


Is it worse than being a miserable fuck that everyone doesn't want to be associated with? I know someone who's bipolar and personality disorder and she can't keep a friend.

As for what does it say about America.... how is it a statement about America's standards?



because so much of what was wrong with me when i was given anti depressents (and more) was situational. same with millions of other americans. its in books, in the news.

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Quote: from motorhead at 8:00 pm on June 29, 2008

Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.

Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...


never mind that these 'disorders' are arbitrary constructs

also, i find it arrogant to say that someone knows 'much' better for someone than they do for themself. thats just not how 'help' works. how can someone, by virtue of a piece of paper, decide that someone should have little to no emotions?

anyway, OP, psychiatrists, especially those in hospitals/prisons tend to 'find' pathological behavior especially if they need to rationalize something and cant simply admit that you may see things differently then them. once you have one disorder, theres a tendency for them to hit you with more, because even normal behaviors can become 'pathological' if they think you have 'problems'

nobody has the moral right to reconfigure your emotions for you, and id say it doesnt even really help, but this is the way they shut people up these days. it was witch burnings 400 years ago, now it is psychiatry

id avoid psychiatrists like the plague if I were you, that is if you're able to get out of the system. once youre in, it follows you fucking EVERYWHERE

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Quote: from motorhead at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from silverbullets at 7:59 pm on June 29, 2008

i think they are not compleatly right, like they may be able to recognize things you cant about your behaviors, but when diagnosing you, its just a guessing game.

There is a diagnostic book that has the symptoms of every disorder known to the medical world. It's not just a guess.


motorhead, there is a difference between a legitimate medical condition and a group of behaviors arbitrarily grouped based on what generally tends to occur together, or is thought to. Also, these 'groupings' completely ignore the reason, so many times there is assumed to be none.

The DSM IV is total bullshit, its not a real medical book

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Quote: from motorhead at 8:09 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from duesxmachina at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008

Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.

  Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...


 
 rar!  

 when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me!


Is it worse than being a miserable fuck that everyone doesn't want to be associated with? I know someone who's bipolar and personality disorder and she can't keep a friend.

As for what does it say about America.... how is it a statement about America's standards?


yes, being dulled into oblivion is worse than being miserable, because there is little to no potential for improvement. yes, it improves productivity and shallow 'friendships'. and this is what most people think is 'improvement'. but cmon thats bullshit dude

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:36 am on June 30, 2008

Quote: from motorhead at 8:00 pm on June 29, 2008

Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.  

 Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...


never mind that these 'disorders' are arbitrary constructs

also, i find it arrogant to say that someone knows 'much' better for someone than they do for themself. thats just not how 'help' works. how can someone, by virtue of a piece of paper, decide that someone should have little to no emotions?  

anyway, OP, psychiatrists, especially those in hospitals/prisons tend to 'find' pathological behavior especially if they need to rationalize something and cant simply admit that you may see things differently then them. once you have one disorder, theres a tendency for them to hit you with more, because even normal behaviors can become 'pathological' if they think you have 'problems'

nobody has the moral right to reconfigure your emotions for you, and id say it doesnt even really help, but this is the way they shut people up these days. it was witch burnings 400 years ago, now it is psychiatry

id avoid psychiatrists like the plague if I were you, that is if you're able to get out of the system. once youre in, it follows you fucking EVERYWHERE



wow your so right. 100%. because if it wasn't one thing, it was another. a friend of my mom's was talking about medication he was on, an antidepressent and it made him feel hopeless and tired! im getting really pissed off at you motorhead, i want you to experience what i feel everyday. if you felt it for as long as i did, you would LOVE to be a crack dealer, or a diabetic, or anything but this!

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:39 am on June 30, 2008

Quote: from motorhead at 8:09 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from duesxmachina at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008

Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008

Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.    

  Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...



  rar!

  when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me!


 

 Is it worse than being a miserable fuck that everyone doesn't want to be associated with? I know someone who's bipolar and personality disorder and she can't keep a friend.  

 As for what does it say about America.... how is it a statement about America's standards?


yes, being dulled into oblivion is worse than being miserable, because there is little to no potential for improvement. yes, it improves productivity and shallow 'friendships'. and this is what most people think is 'improvement'. but cmon thats bullshit dude


wow your my best friend thats EXACTLY how i feel! im molded into what a book says i should be, vs. how i feel and have lived for most of my life. granted, some of my choices have been bad, but it all started with anxiety, and that's nothing compared to how i feel now!

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exactly, you need to make some bad choices and screw up in order to improve, modern society seems to have some kind of pathological aversion to people making mistakes...

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