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erolimo
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Cognito ergo sum.
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Aixi
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I have a bug bite, therefore I am itchy.
------- Reev, you're amazing. Scottyrob is also of amazing status. *love*
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3:09 pm on July 1, 2008 | Joined Jan. 2008 | 195 Days Active Join to learn more about Aixi Connecticut, United States | Female | 6738 Posts | 20853 Points
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tiara
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I think I am smart, therefore I still have alot of dumb moments
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marshmellowman
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Well, for one you completely butchered the use of commas, and secondly, it's a philosophical quote, we can interpret it however we see fit.
------- Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done.
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morik
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"I yam what I yam" - Popeye the sailor man.
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3:26 pm on July 1, 2008 | Joined June 2008 | 80 Days Active Join to learn more about morik England, United Kingdom | Straight Male | 996 Posts | 1830 Points
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Event Horizon
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Quote: from Apotheosis at 3:13 pm on July 1, 2008
it's bullshit, thought doesn't necessarily imply one's own existence, your thoughts can be had by something or someone else i think, therefore something is would be less shitty i want to punch descartes in the face i just wrote about that in a list of things i like and dislike 
And yet, if your thoughts are held by but one mind, then THAT mind must exist. It doesn't matter what type of body, or in what reality YOU exist in, you exist. [you subscribe, then, with this theory to a dualist view of existence, as such: even if the physical body is different or non-existent, the mind must still exist.]
------- Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition that's troublesome. --Isaac Asimov
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Apotheosis
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i don't think it's existence if it's not bijective
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Molbi
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how can your concious thought belong to someone else
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3:55 pm on July 1, 2008 | Joined June 2008 | 29 Days Active Join to learn more about Molbi England, United Kingdom | Straight Male | 118 Posts | 452 Points
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Event Horizon
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It may not be an existence you approve of, or one that is static, but if consciousness exists, so too must something. And if that something thinks in the first person, and identifies itself as "I", then regardless of whatever physical encapsulation it my be held in, it exists.
------- Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition that's troublesome. --Isaac Asimov
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Apotheosis
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i think that's a semantic copout, because the something that does exist can contain more than one such self-aware thought process, meaning, what exists is not them
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Event Horizon
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We are not talking about a man with multiple personalities. We are talking about a BEING with multiple CONSCIOUSES. A man with multiple personalities does not have multiple consciouses, he has multiple expressive states which react to the environment his consciousness exists in. A being with multiple consciouses exists in a whole different level. All consciouses believing itself to exist as itself, with no true conscious of its own [barring the concept of the collective creating a transcended and additive conscious...] But then we could all really be bacteria of cosmic scale floating around the body of some infinitely large being. THIS, is what I call masturbatory theorizing. No offense intended of course. Post edited at 4:36 pm on July 1, 2008 by Event Horizon
------- Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition that's troublesome. --Isaac Asimov
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