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If it lacks digital authenticity signatures, it's illegal. Also, those signatures are only on files legally downloaded from stores, like iTunes. So even copying your own, legally owned CD collection is illegal, since they lack the signatures. It's over the top, but to be fair, it's really the only way they can stop it.

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Largely speaking, no, that's not really true from a legal standpoint.  

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2. if regular personnel do this then what about potential terrorists or whatever that sneak by cos some douchebag with a badge and id has to make sure you aren't sitting at your computer downloading shit?

don't these guys have something better to do with themselves? fuck that

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:21 pm on July 25, 2008

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If it lacks digital authenticity signatures, it's illegal. Also, those signatures are only on files legally downloaded from stores, like iTunes. So even copying your own, legally owned CD collection is illegal, since they lack the signatures. It's over the top, but to be fair, it's really the only way they can stop it.  

 FP

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Largely speaking, no, that's not really true from a legal standpoint.  

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Files are now encoded to show if they are legal. The only real solution for them is to assume that, if they lack one, they aren't legal.

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Quote: from iimjustbadnews at 7:08 pm on July 25, 2008

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Invasion of privacy, thats like raiding someones computer without a warrent, it wont happen.

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Do you know what Custom's officers are capable of? They don't need warrants. They don't have consequences. They get free reign.

Basically, with them, you have no rights.

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without a warrant it wouldn't be acceptable evidence to use in a court, therefor they could try to prosecute you but with any decent lawyer on your side you would get away with nothing.

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:12 pm on July 25, 2008

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Quote: from iimjustbadnews at 7:08 pm on July 25, 2008

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Invasion of privacy, thats like raiding someones computer without a warrent, it wont happen.

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 Do you know what Custom's officers are capable of? They don't need warrants. They don't have consequences. They get free reign.  

 Basically, with them, you have no rights.  

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without a warrant it wouldn't be acceptable evidence to use in a court, therefor they could try to prosecute you but with any decent lawyer on your side you would get away with nothing.

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In customs, a warrant is not necessary. It's evidence. They have free reign to do as they will, and it's legit.

It sucks, and it's not fair, but that's reality.

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Files are now encoded to show if they are legal. The only real solution for them is to assume that, if they lack one, they aren't legal.

FP

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Again, no.  There is no law that makes posessing files without special encoded data illegal.

I own plenty of legal music that doesn't have signatures.  Some of it is free, some of it I own the rights to (meaning not that I have a licesnse to use it, but that I can do whatever I want with it because its mine) and some of it I ripped from CD's.  Stuff ripped from CD's is a gray area, but its very much so a gray area and nothing more concrete.  I don't think there's ever been a serious court case on the subject.  

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:54 pm on July 25, 2008

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Files are now encoded to show if they are legal. The only real solution for them is to assume that, if they lack one, they aren't legal.  

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Again, no.  There is no law that makes posessing files without special encoded data illegal.

I own plenty of legal music that doesn't have signatures.  Some of it is free, some of it I own the rights to (meaning not that I have a licesnse to use it, but that I can do whatever I want with it because its mine) and some of it I ripped from CD's.  Stuff ripped from CD's is a gray area, but its very much so a gray area and nothing more concrete.  I don't think there's ever been a serious court case on the subject.  

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There will be after this law is passed. There isn't one as of yet.

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the European Parliament has suggested kicking offenders off the Internet.

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THIS JUST IN: THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT CAN NOA KICK U OFF DA INTERNEZ.

this is serious buznes.

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Quote: from telomere13 at 8:49 pm on July 25, 2008

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:21 pm on July 25, 2008

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If it lacks digital authenticity signatures, it's illegal. Also, those signatures are only on files legally downloaded from stores, like iTunes. So even copying your own, legally owned CD collection is illegal, since they lack the signatures. It's over the top, but to be fair, it's really the only way they can stop it.

  FP

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 Largely speaking, no, that's not really true from a legal standpoint.

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Files are now encoded to show if they are legal. The only real solution for them is to assume that, if they lack one, they aren't legal.

FP

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So am I supposed to re-purchase my entire library every time they update their encoding?

What about ma filez that I bought before they started encoding to show if they are legal?

Besides, what if it's my own music that I recorded? What if I claim my entire library is just me singing covers of the songs they are named as? They'd have to listen to my entire iPod to find out which ones were me singing karaoke and which weren't.

The bottom line is this won't happen for the following reasons:
1) It will prevent people from traveling, so why would air lines condone it?
2) For a non-security issue, I doubt airport officials will condone it - so far, only the G8 leaders have suggested it. Wait until airport officials get a say - they don't give a fuck about music piracy, so why should she dedicate staff and space and wait times to check everyone's device?

And as for your dumbass opinion to not travel with a computer, please realize that a huge percentage of airplane travelers are businessmen, and it isn't practical for them all to use gotomyPC at the internet cafe at every business conference.

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There will be after this law is passed. There isn't one as of yet.

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No, there won't be, because that's completely ridiculous.  There will be no "digital signature" that actually works because it's roughly impossible to keep a database of every person who legitimately owns a copy of every song (there's simply too much data), and anything short of that will take maybe a week to be rendered utterly ineffective by a one or two highly motivated individuals.  

There is no copy protection scheme that actually works in existence, and there never will be.

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 1:37 am on July 26, 2008

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There will be after this law is passed. There isn't one as of yet.  

 FP

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No, there won't be, because that's completely ridiculous. There will be no "digital signature" that actually works because it's roughly impossible to keep a database of every person who legitimately owns a copy of every song (there's simply too much data), and anything short of that will take maybe a week to be rendered utterly ineffective by a one or two highly motivated individuals.

There is no copy protection scheme that actually works in existence, and there never will be.

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1. iPods were designed to be used in conjunction with CDs. iTunes allows CD ripping and sequentially for loading onto the iPod device. It is not illegal, n will it ever be.

2. Older CDs did not come with digitally-signed audio files. So a law that requires digitally-signed audio files only on an iPod or other MP3 device is both unlikely and ridiculously stupid. It would take massive amounts of time and money to create a database of every CD - from the oldest and the newest - and find out which ones had digital signatures and THEN cross-reference it with the contents of the MP3 player.

3. Open source music, free public works.. Hell, even songs people create themselves normally don't contain digital signatures on the file. Are you saying these songs are automatically illegal?

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FurryPanther you're just talking bullshit.

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It's what I've heard. It's fucking stupid, and I don't think it'll work, but that's what I've heard. And this sis also the Canadian version. We aren't as fantastic as planning this stuff as Americans...

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1. iPods were designed to be used in conjunction with CDs. iTunes allows CD ripping and sequentially for loading onto the iPod device. It is not illegal, n will it ever be.

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I know that. But that would be something Apple would support, I think, because it would mean only iTunes Store songs are legal, along with other online stores. That would be great for business, don't you think?

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2. Older CDs did not come with digitally-signed audio files. So a law that requires digitally-signed audio files only on an iPod or other MP3 device is both unlikely and ridiculously stupid. It would take massive amounts of time and money to create a database of every CD - from the oldest and the newest - and find out which ones had digital signatures and THEN cross-reference it with the contents of the MP3 player.

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Again, I get you. It would be impossible to do each person, so if they suspect it, they take away the hardware, send it off, and get it processed at a central facility. You lose your computer whether they find anything or not. It's stupid, it sucks, and it's not fair, but Customs has done worse to people.

There is a reason companies are having executives travel with skeleton laptops now...

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3. Open source music, free public works.. Hell, even songs people create themselves normally don't contain digital signatures on the file. Are you saying these songs are automatically illegal?  

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I'm pretty sure those would be exceptions.

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Quote: from Just another BAMF at 7:23 pm on July 25, 2008

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That's exactly why they can't do anything about.  

 Nothing illegal about put your own cds on your ipod.

 (Disclaimer: That I know of.)

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Last I heard, any mp3 not legally bought from an online store cannot be legally transferred to an mp3 player, because it's a copy, not the originally purchased file. You didn't buy the mp3s. You bought the cda files.

Also, this isn't ridiculous. It's hardly a change. Customs Officers already have unlimited power on the border. This won't change much for them. As for invasion of privacy, how is it different than random bag searches? It really isn't, but we've accepted that.

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If this is true, I'm in deep shit.

I've only downloaded 9 songs from iTunes. All my music comes from CDs.

So basically, if my friend illegaly downloads music and burns me a CD of it, that would show up that it was illegally downloaded?

Shit. :/

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