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I'm not exactly sure how they'd be able to know where the music came from.

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Ooooh good call.

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:14 pm on July 25, 2008

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Quote: from 420Mike at 7:14 pm on July 25, 2008

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Eh, I don't fly much. Only once ever actually.

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This also applies to crossing the border by land, or by sea.

FP

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I've left Michigan 5 times in my 19 years of life. Whatev.

*But that aside this is still completely ridiculous and a major infringement of our freedoms. I highly doubt this will go into effect.

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I'm not exactly sure how they'd be able to know where the music came from.

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If it lacks digital authenticity signatures, it's illegal. Also, those signatures are only on files legally downloaded from stores, like iTunes. So even copying your own, legally owned CD collection is illegal, since they lack the signatures. It's over the top, but to be fair, it's really the only way they can stop it.

FP

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I think we are in rats' alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

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Quote: from telomere13 at 7:19 pm on July 25, 2008

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I'm not exactly sure how they'd be able to know where the music came from.

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If it lacks digital authenticity signatures, it's illegal. Also, those signatures are only on files legally downloaded from stores, like iTunes. So even copying your own, legally owned CD collection is illegal, since they lack the signatures. It's over the top, but to be fair, it's really the only way they can stop it.

FP

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Nothing illegal about put your own cds on your ipod.

(Disclaimer: That I know of.)

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That's exactly why they can't do anything about.

Nothing illegal about put your own cds on your ipod.  

(Disclaimer: That I know of.)

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Last I heard, any mp3 not legally bought from an online store cannot be legally transferred to an mp3 player, because it's a copy, not the originally purchased file. You didn't buy the mp3s. You bought the cda files.

Also, this isn't ridiculous. It's hardly a change. Customs Officers already have unlimited power on the border. This won't change much for them. As for invasion of privacy, how is it different than random bag searches? It really isn't, but we've accepted that.

FP

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I think we are in rats' alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

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Quote: from telomere13 at 7:19 pm on July 25, 2008

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I'm not exactly sure how they'd be able to know where the music came from.

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If it lacks digital authenticity signatures, it's illegal. Also, those signatures are only on files legally downloaded from stores, like iTunes. So even copying your own, legally owned CD collection is illegal, since they lack the signatures. It's over the top, but to be fair, it's really the only way they can stop it.

FP

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Even then, this won't succeed in stopping it, nothing will.

We will just having increasingly draconian laws placed upon us in a vain attempt to stop something that cannot be stopped.

Or, if it is eventually stopped, it will only be because many of us will be "criminals" and in jail, the price for stopping it will be far too high.

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 1:21 pm on July 26, 2008

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Quote: from telomere13 at 7:19 pm on July 25, 2008

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I'm not exactly sure how they'd be able to know where the music came from.

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 If it lacks digital authenticity signatures, it's illegal. Also, those signatures are only on files legally downloaded from stores, like iTunes. So even copying your own, legally owned CD collection is illegal, since they lack the signatures. It's over the top, but to be fair, it's really the only way they can stop it.  

 FP

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Even then, this won't succeed in stopping it, nothing will.

We will just having increasingly draconian laws placed upon us in a vain attempt to stop something that cannot be stopped.

Or, if it is eventually stopped, it will only be because many of us will be "criminals" and in jail, the price for stopping it will be far too high.

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I agree, but that won't stop the technologically retarded politicians.

FP

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Where the dead men lost their bones.

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Quote: from 420Mike at 7:18 pm on July 25, 2008

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:14 pm on July 25, 2008

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Quote: from 420Mike at 7:14 pm on July 25, 2008

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Eh, I don't fly much.  Only once ever actually.

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  This also applies to crossing the border by land, or by sea.  

  FP

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 I've left Michigan 5 times in my 19 years of life.  Whatev.

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One day, it'll become and issue.

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Not going to happen. It would cost BILLIONS to merely equip airports with the necessary adapters to check every time to cell phone and mp3 player.

Furthermore, if I legally buy a song off Itunes, burn it to a CD and then rip it, I have stolen nothing.

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This doesn't even make sense Panther. How are they going to check the signatures on every type of Mp3 player and laptop much less phone?  

Not going to happen. It would cost BILLIONS to merely equip airports with the necessary adapters to check every time to cell phone and mp3 player.  

Furthermore, if I legally buy a song off Itunes, burn it to a CD and then rip it, I have stolen nothing.

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They take it. Simple as that.

FP

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Where the dead men lost their bones.

Even if they merely checked five songs for every device, it would take far too long, and cost far too much for the necessary equipment.

And meh. If they do put this in effect, which I highly doubt they will, I'll just go "old school" for for the few trips I go on that thsi would be an issue, with legal CDs and a discman. ^.^

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Bullshit. I mean, you think they're going to gp through my mp3 player, which holds ~400 songs, to find one without a signature? How about one with 1000+ songs? 2000+?

 Even if they merely checked five songs for every device, it would take far too long, and cost far too much for the necessary equipment.  

And meh. If they do put this in effect, which I highly doubt they will, I'll just go "old school" for for the few trips I go on that thsi would be an issue, with legal CDs and a discman. ^.^

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It wouldn't be hard if they took them, and sent them off to be examined.

I'd recommend it, actually.

FP

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Where the dead men lost their bones.

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Quote: from orange joy at 8:34 pm on July 25, 2008

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Bullshit. I mean, you think they're going to gp through my mp3 player, which holds ~400 songs, to find one without a signature? How about one with 1000+ songs? 2000+?  

  Even if they merely checked five songs for every device, it would take far too long, and cost far too much for the necessary equipment.

 And meh. If they do put this in effect, which I highly doubt they will, I'll just go "old school" for for the few trips I go on that thsi would be an issue, with legal CDs and a discman. ^.^

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It wouldn't be hard if they took them, and sent them off to be examined.

I'd recommend it, actually.

FP

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Ok, no, that wont happen. I can see them possibly (possibly) putting into effect, at least temporarily, something where they do it on the spot. But there's no way that they'll ever be able to TAKE people's music, which those people are bringing along for the trip, and not return it until some unspecified date.

And you'd recommend what?

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Ok, no, that wont happen. I can see them possibly (possibly) putting into effect, at least temporarily, something where they do it on the spot. But there's no way that they'll ever be able to TAKE people's music, which those people are bringing along for the trip, and not return it until some unspecified date.

And you'd recommend what?

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They are legally able to, so why not?

Not bring computers and the like with you when crossing a border.

FP

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I think we are in rats' alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.