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Replies: 79Last Post Aug. 22, 2008 4:29pm by Wilder
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Choice Votes Percent  
Monotheist 10 8%
Polytheist 1 0%
Agnostic 83 72%
Atheist 20 17%
Vote Now! 114 Votes Cast
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Quote: from iinsurgent at 11:02 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from Tubbz at 2:59 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from carracer at 10:56 pm on July 13, 2008

none of the above because he is unsure of his beliefs
 

 That's called being agnostic. Belief in a power but not knowing what it is.


Wait, what? That's not what agnostic means. Agnosticism is believing there is no way to know if there is or isn't a higher power.

Maybe it's me getting confused. I always though that's what Atheism was. No belief.

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Quote: from Wilder at 5:01 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from reev at 4:00 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 4:59 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from reev at 3:58 pm on July 13, 2008

I think this poll blew up in this guys face.

  I think your post just blew up in yours.


 

 no...


Hint: agnostic is an incorrect answer. The correct answer (which I can say freely; people will continue to vote for the wrong answer) is atheist.


you said that he "doesn't know if there is a god or not". now, if you were to say that "bob doesn't believe there is a god whatsoever" that would make him an atheist. if he is unsure, that means that part of him believes there is, and another part of him doubts there is a god. thus making him an agnostic. shut the fuck up.


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Quote: from Tubbz at 3:04 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from iinsurgent at 11:02 pm on July 13, 2008

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Quote: from carracer at 10:56 pm on July 13, 2008

none of the above because he is unsure of his beliefs

  That's called being agnostic. Belief in a power but not knowing what it is.


Wait, what? That's not what agnostic means. Agnosticism is believing there is no way to know if there is or isn't a higher power.

Maybe it's me getting confused. I always though that's what Atheism was. No belief.


You can be agnostic and still believe. It's just knowing you can't know.

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Quote: from Wilder at 11:01 pm on July 13, 2008

Hint: agnostic is an incorrect answer. The correct answer (which I can say freely; people will continue to vote for the wrong answer) is atheist.
This is semantics. You're picking on the definitions exactly. Atheism can be explained as the rejection of the existence of Gods, for example. In this sense Bob couldn't be an atheist because he hasn't rejected the idea explcitly, he is unsure. He believes the possibility could exist (or so I inferred) which means he cannot be an Atheist.

In simple Agnostic definitions Bob is Agnostic.

Post edited at 3:07 pm on July 13, 2008 by marshmellowman

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Quote: from Trastie at 4:02 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 3:59 pm on July 13, 2008

Everyone who has posted is wrong. Good job to the four (as of now) who know what is up.  

 Another rant expressed by poll: even after I state this, people will continue to vote agnostic.


At the very simplest definition he would be very much agnostic. A shame you feel semantics somehow makes all of LW ignorant.

If by "very simple" you mean "incorrect." I don't think that this is an issue of semantics, but of ignorance. Semantics implies a sophist attempt to escape truth through language ("I'm not angry, I'm upset"). What I'm seeking is something else enitrely. That being said, I do certainly see your point.


Kudos to iinsurgent who pretty much never lets me down on anything.

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You didn't give enough information. You can be uncertain but still have faith. You need to be uncertain to have faith.

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Quote: from Wilder at 2:59 pm on July 13, 2008

people will continue to vote agnostic.
That's because Agnostic is the RIGHT ANSWER you cunt.

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Quote: from Wilder at 3:01 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from reev at 4:00 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 4:59 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from reev at 3:58 pm on July 13, 2008

I think this poll blew up in this guys face.

  I think your post just blew up in yours.


 

 no...


Hint: agnostic is an incorrect answer. The correct answer (which I can say freely; people will continue to vote for the wrong answer) is atheist.


Atheism is believing that there is no god, not that you are unsure of whether there is a god or not. Now what your question states is that he is not sure whether there is a god or not. There for he would be Agnostic.

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Agnostic are divided into two types:
Agnostic theists: those who believe that a deity probably exists;  
Agnostic atheists: those who believe that it is very improbable that a deity exists.

Another category of Agnostic is "empirical Agnostics."  They believe that God may exist, but that little or nothing can be known about him/her/it/them. Still another category are "Agnostic Humanists." These individuals are undecided about the existence of God.

This is what he would be considered.


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Quote: from GI at 3:10 pm on July 13, 2008

I put Monotheistic. :S
Right on!


Ohhhh, time travel.

Post edited at 3:17 pm on July 13, 2008 by iinsurgent

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Quote: from reev at 4:05 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 5:01 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from reev at 4:00 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 4:59 pm on July 13, 2008

Quote: from reev at 3:58 pm on July 13, 2008

I think this poll blew up in this guys face.
   

  I think your post just blew up in yours.  


  no...


 

 Hint: agnostic is an incorrect answer. The correct answer (which I can say freely; people will continue to vote for the wrong answer) is atheist.


you said that he "doesn't know if there is a god or not". now, if you were to say that "bob doesn't believe there is a god whatsoever" that would make him an atheist. if he is unsure, that means that part of him believes there is, and another part of him doubts there is a god. thus making him an agnostic. shut the fuck up.


Do you want to throw insults around or be civil? This is an honest question--I'd be happy to have a civilized discussion of terms, and I'd be just as happy to flame, so I'll leave that call to you. I'll keep this post civil and, should you decide that we should hurl insults at eachother over the interweb, my future responses will be full of swears and implications that you have a wildly sub-standard IQ, ect.

We don't know if Bob is an agnostic. Agnosticism refers not to whether or not there is a god, but to wether or not we can have absolute knowledge of a god or not. Bob can believe that absolute knowledge is possible but he doesn't have it, meaning that he is not agnostic even though he doesn't know.

Atheism refers to a lack of belief. This can be an active disbelief, such as your example of Bob not believing in god, or it can be a passive lack of belief. If you don't know whether or not there is a god, you are an atheist, because you do not have a belief in god. All agnostics are either atheists or theists.

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I put Monotheistic. :S

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