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In your first post you said, "Bob doesn't know if there is a God or not". That may or may not mean that he believes one can't know for sure if there is a god. Which means that either he is an agnostic, or he doesn't know if he's an agnostic, which by default would make him an agnostic in the slightly more obscure definition.

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Incorrect. It is quite possible for Bob, given what we know of him, to believe that one can have absolute knowledge of whether or not there is a god. In this case Bob would not be an agnostic. As such, we cannot infer from the information that we have that Bob is an agnostic.

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Try making a bit of sense; everything you said before your closing statement doesn't prove that agnostics are either atheists or theists.

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I'm sorry; I'm probably just not being clear with my points which is why I come off as making no sense. I'll try to explain it a different way. There are two questions. Each question requires a "yes" or "no" response, and groups you into one of two categories.

1) Can we know whether or not their is a god?
Yes: Gnostic (rarely termed as such)
No: Agnostic

2) Do you believe in god?
Yes: Theist
No: Atheist

You can see how every gnostic is an atheist or theist, and every atheist and theist is either gnostic or agnostic, because they are two different categories.

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But at page 5 of this useless topic you are still no closer to proving that "all LW members are ignorant fucks" - all you've proven is that if you make a statement that people don't agree with, then they will argue against it.

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I thought that by now it would be clear that that was the point.

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Just because other people think differently from you doesn't make them ignorant.

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I've never said anything of the sort.

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It makes you ignorant.

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Are you sure you know what that word means?

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"Hey, that's not very nice, Mayor--
just because a person's gay doesn't mean he's a fag!"
-Stan

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I have once again stumbled upon this thread. It's not my fault if you don't understand what I'm saying (if you understood it then you wouldn't have said that I didn't know what "ignorant" means).

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Then please clarify yourself. You complain that we won't get anywhere with this debate, but I genuinely would like to reach an understanding. That will only happen if we go into our misunderstandings rather than merely complaining about them and moving on.

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And, since it clearly has to be said twice, "I leave this pointless argument, because we could continue this quibble forever and never get anywhere. Have a nice day."

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Why does it have to be said twice? Am I not allowed to respond to you once you say that, even though you keep posting in the topic?

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Let's call it a draw and leave it at that

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You want us to lie?!

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"Hey, that's not very nice, Mayor--
just because a person's gay doesn't mean he's a fag!"
-Stan

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I didn't define the terms because the actual definitions stand.

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Aside from being simplistic.

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Agnosticism relates to whether or not knowledge of gods can be had, not weak atheism.

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Main Entry:
   1ag·nos·tic Listen to the pronunciation of 1agnostic
Pronunciation:
   \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function:
   noun
Etymology:
   Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date:
   1869
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

That's weak atheism.

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Quote: from Wilder at 9:00 am on July 16, 2008

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 I didn't define the terms because the actual definitions stand.

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Aside from being simplistic.  

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Agnosticism relates to whether or not knowledge of gods can be had, not weak atheism.

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Main Entry:
  1ag·nos·tic Listen to the pronunciation of 1agnostic
Pronunciation:
  \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\  
Function:
  noun  
Etymology:
  Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date:
  1869
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

That's weak atheism.

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The main definition (which I have bolded) encompasses stances incompatible with weak atheism and refers solely to epistemology, not cosmology.

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"Hey, that's not very nice, Mayor--
just because a person's gay doesn't mean he's a fag!"
-Stan