So let's see. It's growing, It's reproducing, and It's pretty well adapted to it's environment.

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It is not adapted to any environment, it is being incubated.

Do you consider the yolk of an egg to be a baby chicken?

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eventually...

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So then at some point you draw the line. At what point would you consider drawing the line for a chick? A Fetus?

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 1:54 pm on July 17, 2008

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Not yet.  

 It's still murder, regardless.  

 FP

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Agreed.

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For all those opposing abortion, are you also opposed to IVF? I fail to see why abortion is so controversial but IVF is okay.

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I'm curious...what's wrong with IVF?

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Your argument fails. Women don't even know their pregnant at that stage. How can you have an abortion if you don't know that you're pregnant?

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What is Plan B, if not an abortion?
The point is that a collection of cells that have the potential to be human, do not warrant being called "Little innocent babies" and aborting the process in the first trimester is NOT the same as MURDER.
Nor is it killing. Something must be alive in order to be dead, abortion is the prevention of life, not the revocation of it.

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Quote: from Nimzo at 5:20 am on Aug. 24, 2008

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For all those opposing abortion, are you also opposed to IVF? I fail to see why abortion is so controversial but IVF is okay.

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I'm curious...what's wrong with IVF?

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Basically, for every IVF cycle they implant a few embryo's which they pick from a batch of about 20-30, then the leftovers are often destroyed, i'm pretty sure that's during the blastocyst stage (70-100 cells). Alternatively the parents have the CHOICE (funny that) to have them cryogenically frozen (generally for a charge) or used in research, medical schools etc. In the end though most are eventually destroyed (or "murdered" if your pro-life).  

Apparently in Britain they've destroyed about 1 Million embryo's in the last 14 years which you can read about here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3108160.ece

and in america they have a few hundred thousand in cryo so i'm guessing they will eventually need to be destroyed too.

The point is that if you're going to cry about those poor fertilized eggs, then there are way more "potential adults" being tossed into the garbage through IVF than there are being aborted.

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Is it alive?
Remember the DEFINITION of "living" when answering this question

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It is funny when morons don't understand the life sciences for shit attempt to talk.

They can't seem to understand the difference between a gamete and a complete and unique individual.

They can't seem to understand the difference between humans and animals.

They can't seem to understand that both flora and fauna are living creatures.

They can't seem to understand the difference between living and non-living creatures.

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