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In that case, I'm not sure what you're looking for. You're asking if non-Christians can have sex according to Christians; I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether or not them having sex is a sin, that by Christian doctrine, they're condemned for being unsaved.

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Exactly. I'm asking a question, and you're telling me my question isn't important. Glad we got that cleared up. If you ever feel like answering the question instead of questioning the validity or importance of this question I'm sure you'll be able to find this thread again.

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You were talking about both, Christians and God (re-read your OP). My point was only about Christians' acceptance of a marriage made outside of a Christian ceremony. Your definition of 'Christian standards' would only reinforce that point, in my opinion.  

Next point: (IMO) God does, I believe, accept any "marriage" made in the hearts of the man and the woman, the commitment to each other, without regard to the ceremony performed.

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I think what I was trying to get at is "Married according to what the belief defines as godly marriage." If Christianity claims that sex outside of marriage is sinful, then whatever the standard is for marriage within which sex is not sinful (or sinful but accepted, however it's thought) is the standard I was (trying) to speak of.

Is that IMO belief widely held or something peculiar to you? I only ask as I've seen weird comments on CF (I don't know if I'm allowed to link here or not. Oh, well.) hinting at the idea that marriage, according to the "No sex outside of" standard is whatever the government in power recognizes as a legal marriage. By that line of thinking, your personal commitment is squat before God if the crown doesn't say you're married (not my belief obviously).  

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:16 am on July 18, 2008

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You were talking about both, Christians and God (re-read your OP). My point was only about Christians' acceptance of a marriage made outside of a Christian ceremony. Your definition of 'Christian standards' would only reinforce that point, in my opinion.  

 Next point: (IMO) God does, I believe, accept any "marriage" made in the hearts of the man and the woman, the commitment to each other, without regard to the ceremony performed.

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I think what I was trying to get at is "Married according to what the belief defines as godly marriage." If Christianity claims that sex outside of marriage is sinful, then whatever the standard is for marriage within which sex is not sinful (or sinful but accepted, however it's thought) is the standard I was (trying) to speak of.  

Is that IMO belief widely held or something peculiar to you? I only ask as I've seen weird comments on CF (I don't know if I'm allowed to link here or not. Oh, well.) hinting at the idea that marriage, according to the "No sex outside of" standard is whatever the government in power recognizes as a legal marriage. By that line of thinking, your personal commitment is squat before God if the crown doesn't say you're married (not my belief obviously).  

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As far as government recognition, many countries even accept marriages that have no real ceremony to them. So in those countries, a marriage 'before God' would most likely not be contested or denied being a legal marriage. But I think that most governments are involved with marriage more because of the legal matters of the union than for any religious connotations or ceremonies.

That's an interesting site, but a little confusing. Do you have links to any particular threads on this subject?

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 5:04 am on July 18, 2008

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In that case, I'm not sure what you're looking for. You're asking if non-Christians can have sex according to Christians; I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether or not them having sex is a sin, that by Christian doctrine, they're condemned for being unsaved.

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Exactly. I'm asking a question, and you're telling me my question isn't important. Glad we got that cleared up. If you ever feel like answering the question instead of questioning the validity or importance of this question I'm sure you'll be able to find this thread again.

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How is it not answering the question to point out that it doesn't matter whether or not non-Christians have sex?

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That's an interesting site, but a little confusing. Do you have links to any particular threads on this subject?

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I'm afraid not. I can't think where it was mentioned, and really, most of the threads there run together. It's shocking, some of the beliefs people express, though I'm sure it can't be a wonderful cross-section of the Christian community...

A thread on pre-marital sex where this sort of comment might come up would probably be under Ethics and Morality, in the Society section.

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How is it not answering the question to point out that it doesn't matter whether or not non-Christians have sex?

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You actually think that an appropriate answer to a question is "Your question is irrelevant/doesn't matter/is inconsequential/other relevant synonym"?

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If sex is a sin outside of marriage, and only allowed within, doesn't that mean that all non-Christians are having unmarried sex?

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but having sex outside marriage is a sin,it's forbidden in islam !

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I wasn't saying that the question is irrelevent. I wasn't even answering your question. I was just stating that it's a valid point that because non-Christians are, by most interpretations, going to hell anyway, other sins they may commit aren't terribly important and Christians can't really impose their morality on them.

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I know what you were saying. Being that you know you weren't answering my question, why this?

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How is it not answering the question to point out that it doesn't matter whether or not non-Christians have sex?

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Not answering the question is not answering the question. Pointing out that non-Christians are damned anyway is saying that the question of whether or not non-Christians can have marital sex is irrelevant in the scheme of things.

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but having sex outside marriage is a sin,it's forbidden in islam !

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Fine, then take it within the context of Islam: Can non-Muslims/Christians/Jews get married and have sex, or would they be committing non-marital sex anyway because Allah doesn't recognize pagan marriage?

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Most Christian denominations oppose sex before marriage. (Although some protestants allow it). As for marriage, all the religions in the world have it as a ceremony.footnote1 Moreover, people with different faiths can have marriage ceremonies of both faiths at the same place.footnote2 Additionally, people can always get married in municipalities.footnote3 So Non-Christians can have sex.

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1. Irrelevant. The issue is whether or not Jehovah recognizes sex within pagan marriages as sinful or not, the issue is not whether marriage is a tradition exclusive to Christianity (it's obviously not).
2. Also irrelevant. We know interfaith marriages exist. What does this have to do with marriage in a Christian theological context?
3. Why do you think Jehovah gives a damn who the crown considers married?

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 4:42 am on July 21, 2008

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I wasn't saying that the question is irrelevent. I wasn't even answering your question. I was just stating that it's a valid point that because non-Christians are, by most interpretations, going to hell anyway, other sins they may commit aren't terribly important and Christians can't really impose their morality on them.

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I know what you were saying. Being that you know you weren't answering my question, why this?

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How is it not answering the question to point out that it doesn't matter whether or not non-Christians have sex?

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Not answering the question is not answering the question. Pointing out that non-Christians are damned anyway is saying that the question of whether or not non-Christians can have marital sex is irrelevant in the scheme of things.

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I was referring to another post made and your complaint about that post, not your original post.

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I was referring to another post made and your complaint about that post, not your original post.

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Care to direct me to the exchange or must I fish through the pages myself?