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Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 7:43 pm on Aug. 4, 2008

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Quote: from gnr90 at 12:31 am on July 13, 2008

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well, you would love to believe that if the soldiers were not in the middle east, we'd be war free, wouldn't you?...bullshit...Osama attacked America on our soil...so you think we are supposed to let them get away with it and keep killing thousands of innocent people? you are a complete fool if you think that the soldiers are fighting for their country just to murder...you wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for soldiers fighting for your life...mainly because the nazis would have taken over and destroyed all of europe and most likely the world by now...so thank god you have those brave people willing to defend you.

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  perhaps the greatest irony is that if hitler did succeed in world domination it seems likely that one important thing would flow from that; world peace.    

 

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 For what? Multiple ethinicities would have been extinguished, with any other, none Aryan ones at the best being second class citizens and at the worst being enslaved or dead. Wow, wonderful. We should've let him win, huh?

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Yes, we should have, thats exactly what I am saying.  

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Hahahah, you crack me up.

You are either an Aryan bigot, or you are a complete moron. Either way, your opinion is null.

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Fighting for your country is quite different from trampling over another. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are being fought by mindless puppets of a self-serving administration.

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I would hrdly call the soldiers "mindless puppets", as even if they wish to disobey an order, or they disagree with the conflicts, they can't say or do anything about it. Their hands are tied.

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Fighting for your country is quite different from trampling over another. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are being fought by mindless puppets of a self-serving administration.

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I wouldn't call soldiers mindless puppets, all of them volunteered to fight for whatever reasons they have. Most of them are much more aware of the situation than any of us are. Being required to obey orders is not synonymous with being mindless. That's how the military works- if it were any other way we wouldn't be an independent nation anymore.

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 2:51 pm on Aug. 5, 2008

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Hahahah, you crack me up.

You are either an Aryan bigot, or you are a complete moron. Either way, your opinion is null.

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Although I agree with you that it would be horrible if Hitler conquered the world, I have to point out the irony that someone who is against Nazism is dismissing other opinions as void...

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Quote: from sophos at 1:30 pm on Aug. 5, 2008

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Fighting for your country is  quite different from trampling over  another. The wars in Iraq and  Afghanistan are being fought by mindless puppets  of a self-serving administration.

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I wouldn't call soldiers mindless puppets, all of them volunteered to fight for whatever reasons they have. Most of them are much more aware of the situation than any of us are. Being required to obey orders is not synonymous with being mindless. That's how the military works- if it were any other way we wouldn't be an independent nation anymore.

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 2:51 pm on Aug. 5, 2008

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Hahahah, you crack me up.

You are either an Aryan bigot, or you are a complete moron. Either way, your opinion is null.

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Although I agree with you that it would be horrible if Hitler conquered the world, I have to point out the irony that someone who is against Nazism is dismissing other opinions as void...

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I only dismiss hypocritical opinions. They said that if Hitler won WWII, then there would be world peace, and there most definitely would not.

But I do see that flaw.

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Obedience to a tyrannical government is pretty mindless. Iraq and Afghanistan are currently being occupied by an American junta. For a country that supposedly champions freedom and rights, America has most certainly trampled upon the freedom and rights of these sovereign nations.

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Of course we have, but that is the governments doing. Don't shoot he messenger, as the soldiers are following orders. They have no choice in the matter.

And you portray all of America as this evil superpower. The government is moral less and corrupt, but it is stripping its own citizens rights away too.

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Of course we have, but that is the governments doing. Don't shoot he messenger, as the soldiers are following orders. They have no choice in the matter.

And you portray all of America as this evil superpower. The government is moral less and corrupt, but it is stripping its own citizens rights away too.

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This immoral and corrupt government that you speak of has been in power for the last eight years. Isn't it a government of the people, by the people, for the people? Complicity through complacency; you're all responsible.

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You may disagree with the government, but keep in mind that it was the people (us) who at first voted this administration in, and who second consciously prolonged it for yet another 4 years. That makes you responsible too. You don't like it? Try to change it, don't put the blame on the soldiers.

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You may disagree with the government, but keep in mind that it was the people (us) who at first voted this administration in, and who second consciously prolonged it for yet another 4 years. That makes you responsible too. You don't like it? Try to change it, don't put the blame on the soldiers.

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I disagree, greatescape. There are more important things than life. Higher values, better causes, bigger loyalties.

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causes/loyalties/values are more important than my life = beloved and respected martyr

causes/loyalties/values are more important than that 8 year old's life over there = ruthless asshole

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I hate how this is used as an excuse for murder. I think anyone who can kill is fucked up in the head, war is no exception - I am almost ashamed to think that some of my ancestors killed in the war and used this as an excuse.

"Fighting for your country" seems like it's glamorizing murder, making it acceptable.  

It is almost as bad as terrorists who use their religion as their reason for murder and destruction.

You'll probably all disagree, but wanted to hear other opinions.

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Anyone unwilling to kill is suffering from a genetic malfunction thus it is good that they make themselves easier prey for the stronger.

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Quote: from barnabas at 7:22 pm on July 12, 2008

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I disagree, greatescape. There are more important things than life. Higher values, better causes, bigger loyalties.

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causes/loyalties/values are more important than my life = beloved and respected martyr

causes/loyalties/values are more important than that 8 year old's life over there = ruthless asshole

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that depends on the end game. I am only heartless if life is the ultimate indicator of sucess.

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 5:23 pm on Aug. 6, 2008

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Quote: from barnabas at 7:22 pm on July 12, 2008

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I disagree, greatescape. There are more important things than life. Higher values, better causes, bigger loyalties.

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 causes/loyalties/values are more important than my life = beloved and respected martyr  

 causes/loyalties/values are more important than that 8 year old's life over there = ruthless asshole

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that depends on the end game. I am only heartless if life is the ultimate indicator of sucess.

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No, you're still a ruthless asshole either way. If you have the right indicator of success, that would only justify you.

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Fighting for your country is quite different from trampling over another. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are being fought by mindless puppets of a self-serving administration.

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No. They're fought by awesome well-trained combat killing machines, who are very good at what they do. And who don't have a choice in the matter anyway.

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Obedience to a tyrannical government is pretty mindless. Iraq and Afghanistan are currently being occupied by an American junta. For a country that supposedly champions freedom and rights, America has most certainly trampled upon the freedom and rights of these sovereign nations.

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Um not really. We are temporarily disrupting their freedom and rights but we are instilling in those nations a democratic form of government which will give them more freedom than they ever had under Saddam and the Taliban.

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causes/loyalties/values are more important than that 8 year old's life over there = ruthless asshole

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This is a dumb generalization. It's not like we kill civilians on purpose over there.

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