Anyway, I would gladly die, or kill, for my country, even though i do see it falling away from where I think it should stand.

Comparing it to terrorists is extremely insulting and disrespectful to our troops. They attacked us, and are currently doing so in Iraq, and once Obama wins and withdraws troops, they will attack us again, and again unless he sends troops. Sometimes violence is the answer. I know i sound cruel, oh well.

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If i'm not mistaken, in 1941 the world did not know about the Jews being massacred.

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Some in the world knew as early as 1940
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9502E6DA1731F93AA15754C0A96F958260

The Germans sent a letter to a Chilean diplomat in the Prague in November 1941.

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If you can do the math, we were there for over 50% of the war, therefore the majority of the war.

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If you go by European records. The Chinese would disagree.

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Yes we did speed up the victory against the Nazis. And before we actually sent troops, we were always sending money and equipment to Britain and other allies. And we liberated our share of nations including France. We then went on towards Berlin, destroying countless German positions and taking back many cities on the way.

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Funny how you fail to mention the USSR by name. After all they were responsible for 70% of the Reich's causalities. To the Russians, the Western front from a fracking sideshow.

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We almost single handedly destroyed the Japanese Navy completely, and took all of their positions in the Pacific.

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Aussies would disagree.

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We then ended the war with the nuclear bomb.

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Questionable. No singular event within the bombing accounts for why the Japanese surrender.  

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As for this argument about the European theater of WWII, I would say that the Soviets should get most of the credit for Nazi Germany's defeat, but then again they should be blamed just as much for Germany's early success. However, Germany was so close to winning the war, that the absence of the United States would unquestionably mean the downfall of Europe. So I'll admit that many Americans take a little more credit than they deserve for WWII, but the United States did play a huge role in WWII that shouldn't be taken for granted.

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I agree with the very basic principle - anyone willing to go into an occupation which they know involves killing other people, regardless of cause, is a very twisted individual to me. I don't even believe most soldiers have a cause they truly believe in; it's just something they do. It disgusts me. However, the benefits of using such people are obvious.

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Hmm according to you, then, I should be in a mental hospital. Lmao.

Many soldiers have a cause they believe in, it's called serving your country and being patriotic.

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I don't seem to find human life so sacred and valuable as most here seem to. Yes, if it were one of my friends/family I would say differently, but in general, the herd needs culling in my opinion.

Anyway, I would gladly die, or kill, for my country, even though i do see it falling away from where I think it should stand.

Comparing it to terrorists is extremely insulting and disrespectful to our troops. They attacked us, and are currently doing so in Iraq, and once Obama wins and withdraws troops, they will attack us again, and again unless he sends troops. Sometimes violence is the answer. I know i sound cruel, oh well.

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I agree with this post. Not all human life is equal, I hate it when people say that. If someone is shooting at me, I don't give a damn about if they are "a human just like me", and "have feelings just like I do", and all that other pacifist sh!t. I'll f*cking blast them.

And you don't sound cruel at all, you sound correct.  

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Hmm according to you, then, I should be in a mental hospital. Lmao.  

Many soldiers have a cause they believe in, it's called serving your country and being patriotic.

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Please quote properly so that it shows on quote lists - I didn't know you'd tried to rebut my point.

I'm fully aware of the definitions of those words. You should be in a mental hospital or jail, unless you're in the armed forces - the only place such behaviour is acceptable. If you are currently a soldier, then you should be out there shooting things. As I said, the advantages of using people like you for a purpose are obvious, even if the way your mind works and the things you have to do repulses me.

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I really wish that I could respond to this topic and post my views but Apotheosis would forward them to my command and try to get me kicked out.

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Anonymous maybe? Or is Apotheosis a moderator?

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I refuse to post anonymously, it's cowardly and gay.

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All right. I was just saying there is a way around if you want it.

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well, you would love to believe that if the soldiers were not in the middle east, we'd be war free, wouldn't you?...bullshit...Osama attacked America on our soil...so you think we are supposed to let them get away with it and keep killing thousands of innocent people? you are a complete fool if you think that the soldiers are fighting for their country just to murder...you wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for soldiers fighting for your life...mainly because the nazis would have taken over and destroyed all of europe and most likely the world by now...so thank god you have those brave people willing to defend you.

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perhaps the greatest irony is that if hitler did succeed in world domination it seems likely that one important thing would flow from that; world peace.

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perhaps the greatest irony is that if hitler did succeed in world domination it seems likely that one important thing would flow from that; world peace.  

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I doubt it. In a sense, yes there wouldn't technically be any "wars" since all of humanity would be under one nation, but there would be two results of world domination that would compensate for war:

1. There would be a lot of civil wars and rebellions that would take just as many lives as war.

2. Repression or racial extermination would claim just as many (or possibly more) lives.

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Quote: from gnr90 at 12:31 am on July 13, 2008

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well, you would love to believe that if the soldiers were not in the middle east, we'd be war free, wouldn't you?...bullshit...Osama attacked America on our soil...so you think we are supposed to let them get away with it and keep killing thousands of innocent people? you are a complete fool if you think that the soldiers are fighting for their country just to murder...you wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for soldiers fighting for your life...mainly because the nazis would have taken over and destroyed all of europe and most likely the world by now...so thank god you have those brave people willing to defend you.

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perhaps the greatest irony is that if hitler did succeed in world domination it seems likely that one important thing would flow from that; world peace.  

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For what? Multiple ethinicities would have been extinguished, with any other, none Aryan ones at the best being second class citizens and at the worst being enslaved or dead. Wow, wonderful. We should've let him win, huh?

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well, you would love to believe that if the soldiers were not in the middle east, we'd be war free, wouldn't you?...bullshit...Osama attacked America on our soil...so you think we are supposed to let them get away with it and keep killing thousands of innocent people? you are a complete fool if you think that the soldiers are fighting for their country just to murder...you wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for soldiers fighting for your life...mainly because the nazis would have taken over and destroyed all of europe and most likely the world by now...so thank god you have those brave people willing to defend you.

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 perhaps the greatest irony is that if hitler did succeed in world domination it seems likely that one important thing would flow from that; world peace.

 

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For what? Multiple ethinicities would have been extinguished, with any other, none Aryan ones at the best being second class citizens and at the worst being enslaved or dead. Wow, wonderful. We should've let him win, huh?

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Yes, we should have, thats exactly what I am saying.

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