lets say god knows in his head what choice will you make  beforehand and he writes it down somewhere
lets say he thinks you will rape because you are a bad person
either you rape and god is all knowing (and you don't have free will)
or you don't and god was wrong and he is all knowing (but you have free will)

dont say god  knows what choice you will make because he knows the circumstances ie you are a bad person
because then think...
...if he knows you will make the bad choice because you are a bad person then in theory (if he was all knowing) god would
also have known this when you were a baby -he would know the sequence of events and the reasons for these events starting from when you were a baby to when you rape
so in a way you are DOOMED to make that bad decision?
it is your fate to make that bad decision?
if so then how is this free will

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If I have a choice then it is not possible for god to be all knowing
He wouldn't be able to write the note i talked about in the first post

lets say god knows in his head what choice will you make  beforehand and he writes it down somewhere
lets say he thinks you will rape because you are a bad person
either you rape and god is all knowing (and you don't have free will)
or you don't and god was wrong and he is all knowing (but you have free will)

dont say god  knows what choice you will make because he knows the circumstances ie you are a bad person
because then think...
...if he knows you will make the bad choice because you are a bad person then in theory (if he was all knowing) god would  
also have known this when you were a baby -he would know the sequence of events and the reasons for these events starting from when you were a baby to when you rape
so in a way you are DOOMED to make that bad decision?
it is your fate to make that bad decision?
if so then how is this free will

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im not argueing against free will
i am saying if you really truly have free will
then both possiblities are possible
if so then god is not all knowing
because he cannot know what you will do (since there is more than one outcome)

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Answer my question over how you're essentially forced to commit the action if you're quite capable of choosing otherwise beforehand.  

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Goofy rocks my face off!

and i think you are a little hypocritical asking me to answer your question when you leave like 10 above unanswered

also plz use easy to understand english
if you want to know why; refer to george orwell

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ill make it easy for u..
..you arent
and resulting from that god is not all knowing

and i think you are a little hypocritical asking me to answer your question when you leave like 10 above unanswered

 
also plz use easy to understand english
if you want to know why; refer to george orwell

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No need to make the situation complicated if it all boils down to choice-consequence.  Granted, you might not be able to control an erection, but you certainly are capable of choosing not to rape a girl.  Once you get that through your thick skull, then we'll argue higher level Theology.  Until then, please refrain from lecturing me over the complexities of Omniscience and freedom of will/choice.

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Goofy rocks my face off!

1.GOD IS ALL KNOWING
2.IF GOD IS ALL KNOWING HE KNOWS WHAT YOU WILL DO TOMMOROW
3.IF GOD KNOWS WHAT YOU WILL DO TOMMOROW THEN HE COULD IN THEORY WRITE IT DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER. IF HE CANNOT DO THIS HE IS NOT ALL KNOWING OR YOU CAN SAY IS ALL KNOWING BUT NOT ALL POWERFUL SINCE HE CANNOT WRITE THAT THING ON A PIECE OF PAPER

4.TOMMOROW CAN ONLY HAPPEN ONE WAY ACCORDING TO WHAT GOD WROTE DOWN. IF YOU DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS WRITTEN DOWN THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE FREE WILL BUT THEN GOD IS NOT ALL KNOWING BECAUSE HE WAS WRONG.

5.IF TOMMOROW WILL ONLY HAPPEN 1 WAY THEN WE DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL

6.FREE WILL AND GOD BEING ALL KNOWING LOGICALLY GO AGAINST EACH OTHER

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Ok i am tired now and i will go to sleep , but before I go I want to repeat the argument because there seems to be alot of idiots posting on this thread not prooving anything. if u want to make a counter argument then u have to refute one of the statements below...

1.GOD IS ALL KNOWING
2.IF GOD IS ALL KNOWING HE KNOWS WHAT YOU WILL DO TOMMOROW
3.IF GOD KNOWS WHAT YOU WILL DO TOMMOROW THEN HE COULD IN THEORY WRITE IT DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER. IF HE CANNOT DO THIS HE IS NOT ALL KNOWING OR YOU CAN SAY IS ALL KNOWING BUT NOT ALL POWERFUL SINCE HE CANNOT WRITE THAT THING ON A PIECE OF PAPER

4.TOMMOROW CAN ONLY HAPPEN ONE WAY ACCORDING TO WHAT GOD WROTE DOWN. IF YOU DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS WRITTEN DOWN THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE FREE WILL BUT THEN GOD IS NOT ALL KNOWING BECAUSE HE WAS WRONG.

 
5.IF TOMMOROW WILL ONLY HAPPEN 1 WAY THEN WE DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL

6.FREE WILL AND GOD BEING ALL KNOWING LOGICALLY GO AGAINST EACH OTHER

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Quote: from justin1990rm at 3:39 am on July 17, 2008

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Ok i am tired now and i will go to sleep , but before I go I want to repeat the argument because there seems to be alot of idiots posting on this thread not prooving anything. if u want to make a counter argument then u have to refute one of the statements below...  

 1.GOD IS ALL KNOWING  
 2.IF GOD IS ALL KNOWING HE KNOWS WHAT YOU WILL DO TOMMOROW  
 3.IF GOD KNOWS WHAT YOU WILL DO TOMMOROW THEN HE COULD IN THEORY WRITE IT DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER. IF HE CANNOT DO THIS HE IS NOT ALL KNOWING OR YOU CAN SAY IS ALL KNOWING BUT NOT ALL POWERFUL SINCE HE CANNOT WRITE THAT THING ON A PIECE OF PAPER  

 4.TOMMOROW CAN ONLY HAPPEN ONE WAY ACCORDING TO WHAT GOD WROTE DOWN. IF YOU DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS WRITTEN DOWN THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE FREE WILL BUT THEN GOD IS NOT ALL KNOWING BECAUSE HE WAS WRONG.  

   
 5.IF TOMMOROW WILL ONLY HAPPEN 1 WAY THEN WE DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL  

 6.FREE WILL AND GOD BEING ALL KNOWING LOGICALLY GO AGAINST EACH OTHER

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You totally didn't get what I said.  
Number 5: At the end of the day you will have done just what you did and there is no way to change that. God doesn't have to know what you are going to do, He already knows what you have done tomorrow.

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Say maybe God knows what's going to happen. Does that neccessarily mean that He has to stop it from happening?

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That's true.  I think God intended us to make mistakes so we could learn from them.  We all know that sorrow and suffering is what teaches us to be more appreciative of the good the world has to offer.

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God doesn't have to know what you are going to do,
He already knows what you have done tomorrow.

"God doesn't have to know what you are going to do"
So can he know what you are going to do or not?
If not, he is not all knowing.
If he does then he can write the note/list

"He already knows what you have done tomorrow. "
I don't understand that.
How can he know what you have done tommorow if it hasnt happened yet? For it to have been "done" it must have happened already but of course tommorow hasnt happened already.


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