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Do we have free will if god is all knowing?
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Back wards logic...

There is such a thing as foreknowledge doesn't necessarily take our free will.

Just because he knows how we will act, doesn't mean he forced us to act that way.  He just knows what decision you'll ultimately make because he know the situation, your personality, circumstances, etc.


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Okay. that made no sense I have to go to bed.  But, by the way, I have an atheist friend who doesn't believe in free will.....

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im saying that if he is all knowing then we cant have free will
or if we have free will then we cant be all knowing

he can only be all knowing if things will only happen 1 way
(see the note part)
if things can only happen 1 way then ultimately we have 1 choice of doing things
OR we can pick watever we want be he is not all knowing because he cant write that list


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Quote: from justin1990rm at 10:27 am on July 16, 2008

if god gives free will then he is not all knowing

how so?

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i dont know what im not explaining right
so ill try to go over it again

i think god can only be all knowing
if there is only 1 chain of causes and effects that someone could predict(maybe with a really good computer)
like if i throw a ball a certain it will only fall a certain way (i think its called physics)
if this WASN'T so and we could REALLY choose our decisions(and we would have free will)
then he would not be all knowing because he wouldnt know what to put on the list(the one i describe in the first post)

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Quote: from justin1990rm at 7:37 pm on July 16, 2008

i dont know what im not explaining right
so ill try to go over it again

i think god can only be all knowing  
if there is only 1 chain of causes and effects that someone could predict(maybe with a really good computer)
like if i throw a ball a certain it will only fall a certain way (i think its called physics)
if this WASN'T so and we could REALLY choose our decisions(and we would have free will)
then he would not be all knowing because he wouldnt know what to put on the list(the one i describe in the first post)


If a person were able to step in to the future, say tomorrow morning, watch your actions all day and write them down, then return to the present, put that list in a small box with a time-lock that opened at the end of the day tomorrow and give it to you, would that remove your free will when you read the list after your day was over?

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i think you are assuming that that person would carry out tommorow in exactly the same way whether or not he was being watched
if so you are also implying that things can only happen in 1 way
if things can only happen in 1 way,  then how can we have free will

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Quote: from justin1990rm at 8:06 pm on July 16, 2008

i think you are assuming that that person would carry out tommorow in exactly the same way whether or not he was being watched
if so you are also implying that things can only happen in 1 way
if things can only happen in 1 way,  then how can we have free will

No, I am assuming that you would not know that you were being watched and that this happens in your future. Not one of many possible futures but the one that you will actually have.

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ok i made i mistake i didnt mean whether you would know, i meant whether you were actually watched or not

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(and assuming the watching has no effect)

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If you choose to do that action, then you are free to make that decision; however, you and you alone should be willing to accept any and all possible consequences following your choices.

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how can you have a choice when there is only 1 possiblity


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You have free will He just knows the outcome of any choice you make,he sees both paths you just have to pick one.

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Quote: from justin1990rm at 10:51 pm on July 16, 2008

how can you have a choice when there is only 1 possiblity

You have a choice whether or not to rape someone, which would imply more than one choice.

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