Arguing is a good thing, if no one ever argued or complained no progress would be made.

And the arguments that yield the most emotional responses are those you're afraid are right.

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Are you still mad at them for locking your thread? They said you could always open a new one if you wanted, and just invite the people you want to continue the conversation with to the new topic.

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So you're complaining because you can't take the fact that you're wrong? Oh my word.

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Post edited at 1:08 pm on Aug. 28, 2008 by cum

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 1:07 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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So you're complaining because you can't take the fact that you're wrong? Oh my word.

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I'm complaining that they're silencing me for no valid reason.

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They've explained to you the situation, you just fail to understand it. You keep on complaining when the reason has been explained to you clearly. The original topic was locked because it was getting into a flame war.

Your complaint topic was locked because it was getting nowhere. You were practically ignoring what the moderators and I were saying and you insist that they should bend a rule for you because you're pissed. It was explained perfectly and you were retaliating with a load of rubbish and challenging things for the sake of challenging them.

If they wanted to silence you they'd delete your posts not lock the topic so people wouldn't see what you had to say. You are also free to make another topic - like this one, but for what purpose?

You're just looking for attention, and even that is against the guidelines.

The discussion is over, end of story.

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 9:08 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 1:07 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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So you're complaining because you can't take the fact that you're wrong? Oh my word.

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I'm complaining that they're silencing me for no valid reason.

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No valid reason?

They've explained to you the situation, you just fail to understand it. You keep on complaining when the reason has been explained to you clearly. The original topic was locked because it was getting into a flame war.

Your complaint topic was locked because it was getting nowhere. You were practically ignoring what the moderators and I were saying and you insist that they should bend a rule for you because you're pissed. It was explained perfectly and you were retaliating with a load of rubbish and challenging things for the sake of challenging them.

If they wanted to silence you they'd delete your posts not lock the topic so people wouldn't see what you had to say. You are also free to make another topic - like this one, but for what purpose?

You're just looking for attention, and even that is against the guidelines.

The discussion is over, end of story.

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I'm  not pissed, I was countering their points and explaining why the rule should change. they didn't listen to any of my arguments.

I'm not seeking attention, I'm making my argument to better LW.

oh this discussion is over? Then I suppose you're not going to reply to this because that would mean you're talking to yourself.

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If they don't want to see my complaints, they're free to look at other topics.  

I'm not pissed, I was countering their points and explaining why the rule should change. they didn't listen to any of my arguments.  

I'm not seeking attention, I'm making my argument to better LW.  

oh this discussion is over? Then I suppose you're not going to reply to this because that would mean you're talking to yourself.

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1) Yes, you are annoyed, otherwise you wouldn't have made two topics about it.

2) Your countering consisted of: "The policy is shit, I want it changed". You're not going to be the exception right now. if a policy change were to occur, your topic lock wouldn't suddenly get lifted (unless it was retroactive which I doubt).

3) If you want to suggest a better idea or give feedback, then do it in Feedback and Constructive Criticism, not in the M2M forum. That's not what it's for. You were asked why your topic was locked, and that was explained. That is not the place to debate policy or suggest new ideas.

4) In my opinion you are seeking attention. Any normal person would have read their reasoning, understood and lived with it. If they still have a problem they would have made a new topic in F&CC to get the response from the community and the moderators on the policy and not just your case. Yet you pretty much ignored what they had to say and kept using the same argument when your topic was just about the reasoning behind the locking.

I meant that the discussion behind the reasoning. You just don't get it do you?


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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 9:15 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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If they don't want to see my complaints, they're free to look at other topics.

 I'm  not pissed, I was countering their points and explaining why the rule should change. they didn't listen to any of my arguments.

 I'm not seeking attention, I'm making my argument to better LW.

 oh this discussion is over? Then I suppose you're not going to reply to this because that would mean you're talking to yourself.

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You asked the moderators a question, why the hell would they not respond?

1) Yes, you are annoyed, otherwise you wouldn't have made two topics about it.

2) Your countering consisted of: "The policy is shit, I want it changed". You're not going to be the exception right now. if a policy change were to occur, your topic lock wouldn't suddenly get lifted (unless it was retroactive which I doubt).

3) If you want to suggest a better idea or give feedback, then do it in Feedback and Constructive Criticism, not in the M2M forum. That's not what it's for. You were asked why your topic was locked, and that was explained. That is not the place to debate policy or suggest new ideas.

4) In my opinion you are seeking attention. Any normal person would have read their reasoning, understood and lived with it. If they still have a problem they would have made a new topic in F&CC to get the response from the community and the moderators on the policy and not just your case. Yet you pretty much ignored what they had to say and kept using the same argument when your topic was just about the reasoning behind the locking.

I meant that the discussion behind the reasoning. You just don't get it do you?

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1) I'm trying to make positive changes, that's why I made two topics about it.  

2) I don't want to be the exception, and my argument was a lot more than that. Go back and read some of what I had to say, the current policy is more efficient for the mods but not for the members.

3) Oops. Ok sorry I put the topic in the wrong forum, you could have moved it.

4) I'm not.

Normally when people say "This discussion is over" it's followed by them storming off angry, so I figured you meant you weren't talking to me anymore.

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Because maybe they don't want to, so they don't have to. some different ones can instead.  

1) I'm trying to make positive changes, that's why I made two topics about it.

2) I don't want to be the exception, and my argument was a lot more than that. Go back and read some of what I had to say, the current policy is more efficient for the mods but not for the members.  

3) Oops. Ok sorry I put the topic in the wrong forum, you could have moved it.  

4) I'm not.  

Normally when people say "This discussion is over" it's followed by them storming off angry, so I figured you meant you weren't talking to me anymore.

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1) If you were serious about change you'd make a topic explaining the 'problem' with this rule that you have and perhaps what you suggest can be done about it. Your first topic was asking why the topic was locked, and that was answered. You then tried to debate the actual rule, when that wasn't really the original intent of the topic (nor would it allow other members and moderators to understand what you're debating purely from the title and hence contribute more).

2) So you propose that a change be made which will take up more time for the moderators? That's really not how it works here on in the real world. You have to learn to compromise, nothing's perfect. The moderators are the ones that enforce the rules, so they have to find a moderation style that is both effective and time efficient. If you change the policy to your idea it may be better for the members, but even then it would take a lot longer and perhaps some topics might not be covered simply because there isn't enough time.

3) No, because the topic was placed well. The original question was answered and placed in the correct forum. But you brought up something completely different - talking about the policy - which doesn't belong in that forum. If you wish to be able to effectively hear what other moderators and users have to say, make a new topic for that purpose not effectively derail your own topic to another discussion point. The title also wouldn't explain what you were debating either. You can't just feed off the result and pipe it into the same topic when your topic had the question (reason for locking) answered.

4) You most definitely are, but obviously attention whores don't think they are themselves.

I will do, because I'd rather waste my time than have you enraged at no-one else answering thus trying to fuel further your stupid point. Plus it's a waste of a moderators time repeating what I can say when they have other things to do.

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 9:28 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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Because maybe they don't want to, so they don't have to. some different ones can instead.

 1) I'm trying to make positive changes, that's why I made two topics about it.    

 2) I don't want to be the exception, and my argument was a lot more than that. Go back and read some of what I had to say, the current policy is more efficient for the mods but not for the members.

 3) Oops. Ok sorry I put the topic in the wrong forum, you could have moved it.

 4) I'm not.

 Normally when people say "This discussion is over" it's followed by them storming off angry, so I figured you meant you weren't talking to me anymore.

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If they didn't want to, maybe they wouldn't. But seeing as how you addressed the moderators it's their job to help answer your question - which it was. They shouldn't have to leave it to the other moderators merely because you're not pleased with the answer that you're getting. No doubt you'd receive the same response from the other moderators. Not to mention that they have other things to do as well, not just reply to a whining member.

1) If you were serious about change you'd make a topic explaining the 'problem' with this rule that you have and perhaps what you suggest can be done about it. Your first topic was asking why the topic was locked, and that was answered. You then tried to debate the actual rule, when that wasn't really the original intent of the topic (nor would it allow other members and moderators to understand what you're debating purely from the title and hence contribute more).

2) So you propose that a change be made which will take up more time for the moderators? That's really not how it works here on in the real world. You have to learn to compromise, nothing's perfect. The moderators are the ones that enforce the rules, so they have to find a moderation style that is both effective and time efficient. If you change the policy to your idea it may be better for the members, but even then it would take a lot longer and perhaps some topics might not be covered simply because there isn't enough time.

3) No, because the topic was placed well. The original question was answered and placed in the correct forum. But you brought up something completely different - talking about the policy - which doesn't belong in that forum. If you wish to be able to effectively hear what other moderators and users have to say, make a new topic for that purpose not effectively derail your own topic to another discussion point. The title also wouldn't explain what you were debating either. You can't just feed off the result and pipe it into the same topic when your topic had the question (reason for locking) answered.

4) You most definitely are, but obviously attention whores don't think they are themselves.

I will do, because I'd rather waste my time than have you enraged at no-one else answering thus trying to fuel further your stupid point. Plus it's a waste of a moderators time repeating what I can say when they have other things to do.

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1) I didn't understand what the rule was at the time, I was confused as to what derailing was.

2) The mods aren't professionals, they're volunteers and the reason they're here is supposed to be to help the rest of the forum function well. They've somewhat abandoned this duty in exchange for following the rules in a way easiest to them at any cost to the rest of the forum.

3) Do you know how a discussion works son? There's no rule that a non-support topic can't stray from it's original point.

4) Personal attacks are the cheapest kind of argument. you've said so yourself. that has nothing to do with my OP and you're clearly just trying to stray my topic.

I'm not enraged. You are.

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