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The Railroad Track Question (Intellectuals)
Replies: 34Last Post Oct. 19, 2008 2:32am by ManicD
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MotoMojo


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Kill the five. Think about it, you're decreasing the ratio of morons to intellectuals, AND you're controlling the population more effectively. Win/win

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Kill the five. They know of the danger and are ignoring it. The one person knows of the danger and is not ignoring it. Therefore, I'm going to let the five people take the consequences of ignoring the train.

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Quote: from Periwinkle at 10:30 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

Kill the five. They know of the danger and are ignoring it. The one person knows of the danger and is not ignoring it. Therefore, I'm going to let the five people take the consequences of ignoring the train.

Agreed. The solitary person has taken into consideration the route of the train and has put him/herself in a position that minimises their own danger. If those five people know they could get hit, and, what's more, they know the train is coming directly at them, it's their own damn fault if they die.

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Quote: from NoNoNora383 at 4:40 am on Aug. 27, 2008

Five people are walking on a railroad track. They are aware of the fact that a train could mow them down at any second, and indeed, they are ignoring the one that is coming right now. But in front of the train and behind them, there is a fork in the path, and one solitary person is walking alone on the track they know the train won't go down.

You can pull a lever and kill the single, smart person, or leave it alone and allow the five to die. What do you do?


Assuming that the 5 ignorant people are chavs, then of course I would let them die. Only chavs would do something that stupid. The smart person doesnt deserve to die

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Do nothing regarding the switch and simply shout to everyone to get off the damn tracks.


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Heh.  Look at all the elitists and wanna-be social Darwinists.

Anyway, if you subscribe to the theory that all human life is sacred and is to be protected, then you have to throw the switch to kill the one, in order to save the five.

Social Darwinism is misguided psuedoscience at best, and a very dangerous philosophy to have, at worst.

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This is such a ridiculous question. I bet that 99% of you, if put in that situation, would react to save the most people, which would mean killing the solitary man.

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Quote: from The Artful Dodger at 2:15 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

pull the lever on the smart guy.. If he's smart enough he'll run off the tracks.

More likely he ISNT really smart, or he wouldn't be playing on train tracks in the first place. So they're all idiots, and I'd pull the lever.

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I'd let the five die.
The solitary man was on the path that the train doesn't go down, why should he suffer the consequences for the actions of five idiots  who knew the train was coming?

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in this hypothetical situation is everyone deaf? is the smart guy deaf? can i yell out and say "hey get out the way"? why is that not an option? if he's so smart why is he walking on the tracks anyway? is it really that difficult to walk on the ground beside the track and avoid the whole situation? i don't think he's that smart. why should 5 really stupid people be worth less than one sort of stupid person?

maybe you could come up with a better question to ask what you really want to ask.

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I find it interesting that in this case, it is changed to the individual being a 'smart person,' wherein every one of my texts on philosophy presents this classic question as 'the fat man.'
Could this be an attempt to sway the result by changing the adjective of the individual to something society values (intelligence) as opposed to something it despises (obesity)?
Anyway.

The five. They are in the path of the train - it would be negligent to do nothing, but ultimately, it is the better option.
To push the one person into the way of the train would be to actively participate in the death of another, which is homicide.

It is more moral because the five people who are in the way of the train are destined to die UNLESS something interferes - it is not the smart person's destiny to die, unless they are forced to do so.

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It's not an ethical question, kids. It's a trick. At least, from the way I'm reading it, it is.

If the 'smart' person 'knows' that the train won't come down their track (that is, any given track they are on), you simply pull the lever, and allow the train to go down the track they were on. But since they know there cannot exist a world in which the train comes down their track, they can no longer exist on that track; and therefore must have switched before being run over.

Of course, they then cease to be 'alone'. Though if we take the question as the past tense and the time period after their actions as the present, we no longer run into that restriction.

All six live if we're smart about it, and we know that the 'smart' person is as well.

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I would say kill the 5 people. I know that it should probably be better that one person dies instead of five but those five knew the risks and they choose to ignore them, i dont see why the smart person should die because of something a group of stupid  people did.

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Assuming that the people on the tracks would die (and even the "smart" person wouldn't get out of the way for whatever reason) I would not pull the lever. Pulling it would mean that I'd have interfered in a way that I killed a person. Even though I would be faced with just watching five die when I could've done something to prevent it, I couldn't go out of my way to cause someone else death who wouldn't have faced it without my being there. It's hard to explain, but I'd be unable to pull the lever.

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Kill the five assclowns, 5 less of them does the world a favor.

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