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Quote: from kidd rune at 10:30 pm on Aug. 29, 2008

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Quote: from The Artful Dodger at 10:27 pm on Aug. 29, 2008

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So then have you considered that the one drop rule isn't a good rule to apply, especially when going into the more scientific/physical aspect of "race"?

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The one drop rule claims that someone can't be white if they have "one drop" of Negro blood. Without negro blood, a Negro child CAN NOT be created.  

 That is all I claimed.

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No one asked about the one-drop rule. So one could have only assumed that its what you subscribed to. be more clear next time.

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[The one drop rule indicates that a biracial person of negro and Caucasian descent is INDICATED AS NEGRO.

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I didn't make the one drop rule dipshit, I just see that it exists here.

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If they possessed negro genes

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Quote: from kidd rune at 10:24 pm on Aug. 29, 2008

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[The one drop rule indicates that a biracial person of negro and Caucasian descent is INDICATED AS NEGRO.

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how big does the drop have to be? how many millimeter cubes are we talking?  
 

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I didn't make the one drop rule dipshit, I just see that it exists here.

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No but you BELIEVE in that shit.

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If they possessed negro genes

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How many genes do you need? How do you define a NEGRO GENE?

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This is idiocy. He keeps with the constant jabbering on racial genes. I have yet to see such evidence and the existence of race is a debatable topic that kidd_rune sees no need to argue. He has no idea of what truly constitutes a suitable division for the justification of human classification according to race and he is simply relying on the three race bases of which anthropology is constantly rearranging.

I, have no idea as to what a negro gene would entail. The gene that offers marginally darker skin complexion is not referred to as such.

Quote: from Anonymous at 11:55 pm on Aug. 29, 2008

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So Mariah Carey is black?? gasps..lol

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She is of mixed race.

The one drop rule doesn't biologically exist regardless of what kidd_rune says.

Post edited at 1:49 am on Aug. 30, 2008 by Takinam

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how big does the drop have to be? how many millimeter cubes are we talking?

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No but you BELIEVE in that shit.

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How many genes do you need? How do you define a NEGRO GENE?

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She is of mixed race.

The one drop rule doesn't biologically exist regardless of what kidd_rune says.

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Two whites can't make a negro baby, it's IMPOSSIBLE.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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This is idiocy. He keeps with the constant jabbering on racial genes. I have yet to see such evidence and the existence of race is a debatable topic that kidd_rune sees no need to argue. He has no idea of what truly constitutes a suitable division for the justification of human classification according to race and he is simply relying on the three race bases of which anthropology is constantly rearranging.

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I, have no idea as to what a negro gene would entail. The gene that offers marginally darker skin complexion is not referred to as such.

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1. what ppl might call "negro" features come from MANY different genes. some of them can be found among whites, asians, etc...

2. how far back do you have to look to say some person has black ancestors? 200 years? 300 years? 400 years? i bet alot of white looking ppl have some black ancestor if they really looked.

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The one drop rule doesn't biologically exist regardless of what kidd_rune says.

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you noticed that too? The guy just has no clue what hes talking about its plain as day.

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its simple: it doesn't exist.

1. what ppl might call "negro" features come from MANY different genes. some of them can be found among whites, asians, etc...

2. how far back do you have to look to say some person has black ancestors? 200 years? 300 years? 400 years? i bet alot of white looking ppl have some black ancestor if they really looked.

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The "darker skin complexion" is NOT just a negro gene. Dark skin CAN exist on a 100% Caucasian. There are MANY differences between Negroes and others that are easily, and not so easily, identifiable. And yes, a lot of whites may have Negro ancestors. I don't. If someone, let's say, find out that 10 generations ago, they had a Negro father, they can STILL, in my eyes, be considered white. If you know how genetics are transferred, you would see this.

If someone is biracial, with a purely Caucasian parent and purely Negro parent, they are presented with 23 Negro chromosomes, and in turn, 23 Caucasian chromosomes.

If said child then marries a 100% Caucasian AGAIN, they will pass on 23 random Chromosomes of their 46 chromosomes. Now, it's entirely possible, but INCREDIBLY rare, that all 23 chromosomes would be of one race. For the sake of averages, we'll use 50/50.

So, that child has, out of 46 chromosomes, 12 Negro chromosomes and, 34 Caucasian ones.

That child, which is considered a quadroon, then marries a nice white lady.

That quadroon, having 1/4 of his chromosomes Negroid, gives off 6 Negroid chromosomes (50%) and 17 white chromosomes.

THAT kid has a kid with a 100% white, and gives off 20 Caucasian chromosomes and 3 Negroid chromosomes.

The child of THAT, in turn, could very well give off ALL white chromosomes, 'bleeding out' all of the Negroid in him. If not, his next child probably would do so.

200, 300, and 400 years are a LONG time, and all present genetics of Negroid ancestry could be gone. The same can be said about whites saying "I found out that I had a great-great-great Native American grandma!" Since Amerinds are the most mutated humans, and given the fact that most mutations are RECESSIVE, that whitey could, indeed, have no present Amerind genes.

Well, that's it for my Biology lesson :)

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Oh, really? Are you one of those guys that think race doesn't exist also?

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There is no "negro gene". There is, however, chromosomes unique by only existing in one race.

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http://genomebiology.com/2002/3/7/comment/2007
Not only that but caucasians are CLOSER in genes to africans than asians are. Thats from a source that believes in races.

heres another

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The alleles for consecutive SNPs
along a chromosome which are inherited as a unit are called "haplotypes." These haplotypes were then compared between the groups. Although 51% of the haplotypes were shared among all groups, on average, Africans (which included African Americans) possessed the most haplotypes.
This finding indicates that the variation observed
in European and Asian populations is a subset of African variation, and furthermore supports a single African origin for all humans.

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http://tinyurl.com/6okvol

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. If someone, let's say, find out that 10 generations ago, they had a Negro father, they can STILL, in my eyes, be considered white.

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they are presented with 23 Negro chromosomes, and in turn, 23 Caucasian chromosomes.

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There no such thing as a "negro chromosome" it dont exist.

You confuse genotype and phenotype. So dont give men BS about biology. you failed that class.  

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"First, compared with many other mammalian species, humans are genetically less diverse... For example, the chimpanzee subspecies living just in central and western Africa have higher levels of diversity than do humans (Ebersberger et al. 2002; Yu et al. 2003; Fischer et al. 2004)."

Human variation is also distributed in an unusual and not easily understood fashion compared to other mammalian species: "The details of this distribution are impossible to describe succinctly because of the difficulty of defining a 'population,' the clinal nature of variation, and heterogeneity across the genome (Long and Kittles 2003).... This distribution of genetic variation differs from the pattern seen in many other mammalian species, for which existing data suggest greater differentiation between groups (Templeton 1998; Kittles and Weiss 2003)."[45]  

"Since the 1980s, there have been indications that the genetic diversity of humans is low compared with that of many other species. This has been interpreted to mean that humans are a relatively young species, so populations have had relatively little time to differentiate from one another. For example, 2 randomly chosen humans differ at ~1 in 1,000 nucleotide pairs, whereas two chimpanzees differ at ~1 in 500 nucleotide pairs.[46]  

"'Race' is a legitimate taxonomic concept that works for chimpanzees but does not apply to humans (at this time). The nonexistence of 'races' or subspecies in modern humans does not preclude substantial genetic variation that may be localized to regions or populations....The DNA of an unknown individual from one of the sampled populations would probably be correctly linked to a population. Because this identification is possible does not mean that there is a level of differentiation equal to 'races'. The genetics of Homo sapiens shows gradients of differentiation."[47]  

"Humans are ~98.8% similar to chimpanzees at the nucleotide level and are considerably more similar to each other, differing on average at only 1 of every 500−1,000 nucleotides between chromosomes. This degree of diversity is less than what typically exists [/b among chimpanzees.[48]  

"The average proportion of nucleotide differences between a randomly chosen pair of humans (i.e., average nucleotide diversity, or π) is consistently estimated to lie between 1 in 1,000 and 1 in 1,500. This proportion is low compared with those of many other species, from fruit flies to chimpanzees.

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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1275602

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1455.html

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html

Post edited at 10:07 pm on Sep. 5, 2008 by jakelong

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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mixed people look amazing, it's like taking the best out of both cultures and putting it together .

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