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Populated by whites, Portugal grew to be the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world. [etc. etc. etc.]

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You cannot show that Portugal's climax was because of the biological reality of the race mixing. There are too many distinct factors to think about. You can go on and on and on about whatever powerful civilizations you want, but you cannot possibly show that any downfall was because of race mixing in and of itself.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 12:16 pm on Sep. 1, 2008

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Populated by whites, Portugal grew to be the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world. [etc. etc. etc.]

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You cannot show that Portugal's climax was because of the biological reality of the race mixing. There are too many distinct factors to think about. You can go on and on and on about whatever powerful civilizations you want, but you cannot possibly show that any downfall was because of race mixing in and of itself.

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Or is it just a coincidence that they all fell once they mixed?

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Yes, actually, you can.

Or is it just a coincidence that they all fell once they mixed?

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Correlation =/= causation, as you surely know. It is entirely possible that:

The point at which a civilization creates for itself an issue of race mixing (taking slaves from far enough abroad, having a global span, etc.) is also the natural point at which most civilizations become top-heavy and fall on their own. Obviously, the exception makes the rule and other powerful empires still surviving to this day (Why hello thar Britain) do not discount this possibility.

The consequences of race mixing have nothing to do with the biological races of the participants but with a generational inequality. When two groups meet as conqueror and conquered, the psychological and social state of the conquered doesn't go away when the distinction goes away. Even when you can't tell the difference between a Portuguese with a black ancestor and one pure white, the psychological impediment of the conquered may've continued into the present generation, causing issues in the empire/productivity/whatever other issues you care to raise.

Those are just two top-of-the-head scenarios, but more than enough to show (hopefully) that no, you can't blame the fall of civilizations on race mixing. It's simply too complex. Your confidence in the fact then is obviously not objective but simply because you sir, are a filthy disgusting racist.

Have a lovely day.

For my examples, the very nature of those civilizations were changed as the new, largely nonwhite, population was unable to maintain the original technical and cultural levels of the White civilization. These civilizations "fell" because the people who created them vanished.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

Diversity is good, and so is chicken. But you don't see me making topics about it.

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Once the creators of the Civilization leave, mix, or die out, that civilization will change into one reflected by the new inhabitants.

 
For my examples, the very nature of those civilizations were changed as the new, largely nonwhite, population was unable to maintain the original technical and cultural levels of the White civilization. These civilizations "fell" because the people who created them vanished.

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Do you suppose that same thing would happen if a sophisticated white civilization absorbed a more primitive white group? Or do you blame it on the absorption of colored individuals and not of the absorption of simply a different group?

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Quote: from kidd rune at 1:02 pm on Sep. 1, 2008

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Once the creators of the Civilization leave, mix, or die out, that civilization will change into one reflected by the new inhabitants.  

 
 For my examples, the very nature of those civilizations were changed as the new, largely nonwhite, population was unable to maintain the original technical and cultural levels of the White civilization. These civilizations "fell" because the people who created them vanished.

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Do you suppose that same thing would happen if a sophisticated white civilization absorbed a more primitive white group? Or do you blame it on the absorption of colored individuals and not of the absorption of simply a different group?

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If, by primitive, you mean not as technologically advanced, that isn't a factor. The Anglo-Saxons absorbed 'primitive' Celtic inhabitants of Britain, but still created the greatest empire the world has ever seen. The Celts were pretty much Genetically the same as the invading Nordics, yet weren't quite as advanced due to constant warring within the small Celtic tribes.

The Celts, however, usually mixed in and contributed to the new Kingdom. Being so genetically similar, they weren't seen as a different race or peoples.

And anyway, many white civilizations included Nordish AND Mediterranean whites, indicating that there were more divisions than one. This hadn't stopped them from creating great civilizations either. Nonwhites HAVE.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

Or do you not assert white genetic superiority but still assert that white and nonwhite mixing causes problems simply because of nonvalue-related genetic differences?

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Let me just clear this up for myself now. It is your position that nonwhite groups are somehow genetically inferior to white groups, and it is for that reason that race-mixing has supposedly contributed to the downfalls of situations?

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Each empire is molded to fit it's creators and ONLY them. White nations can't live with nonwhites, and nonwhite empires can't live with whites.

Each white civilization will stay intact until nonwhites overtake it or the civilization get's overpowered by a stronger force.

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Or do you not assert white genetic superiority but still assert that white and nonwhite mixing causes problems simply because of nonvalue-related genetic differences?

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EDIT: fixed tags.

Post edited at 4:59 pm on Sep. 1, 2008 by kidd rune

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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My dislike of you has softened a bit just now. I still disagree with your position, but at least your views aren't founded on the idea that coloreds are all backwards genetic scum.

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If the creators of the civilization are no longer the majority, the civilization will CHANGE into one suitable for the other.

There is no "superior" or "inferior", just DIFFERENCES.

One could very well look at sub-Saharan Africa before whites came, no written language, no domesticated animals, no shelter beyond the common mud hut, and no wheel. Then, they could look at Ancient Greece, blossomed into a great culture, giving expression to philosophy, poetry, science, mathematics, and literature.

You can then, with your own opinion, claim one as better. I'm not here to change your opinion, just present my opinion and facts that back it up.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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There is no "superior" or "inferior", just DIFFERENCES.

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Understandable.

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You can then, with your own opinion, claim one as better. I'm not here to change your opinion, just present my opinion and facts that back it up.

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My only issue is when the basis for a position against race-mixing is that colored races will "dirty" the superior white gene pool and cause issue that way. If that is not your position, your beliefs are not my problems.

The idea that distinct races must remain homogeneous for the success or benefit of their societies is very different from the idea that white society is greater than any society could be because of white genetics, and that nonwhite races are a scourge on white society.

If I understand that the former and not the latter is your position, I've really nothing more to argue with you about.