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Quote: from kidd rune at 10:26 am on Aug. 30, 2008

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ARE YOU SERIOUS?  

 Do you SERIOUSLY think the KKK is pro-communist?

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Fail.

When someone says something like "More like AmeriKKKa" do you generally expect them to think favorably of the KKK? No. If someone compares America to the KKK and you call them a commie, you're attacking them for being un-American. Not that it was serious criticism anyway.

You wasted a lot of time and energy just there.

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I do love America, not in a patriotic zealous way, even with the past half-century of imperialist global-shaping nation-building policy leaving me somewhat disenfranchised. But, for what its worth, ignoring politics and all the negative faults with my birthplace, she'll always be apart of me.

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Whence the truth is spun
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And all your joy within you dies

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JeanClaude is the one that claimed the KKK was pro communist, not me.

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I know, but your original response was to my post. You seemed to think I thought the KKK was pro-communist. Your entire discussion with him came after that.

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"Hé! Donne-moi mon cadeau et on jasera après! Gros poilu!" - Asymptote

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I can't believe all this sprouted from sarcasm. Sad.

I do love America, not in a patriotic zealous way, even with the past half-century of imperialist global-shaping nation-building policy leaving me somewhat disenfranchised. But, for what its worth, ignoring politics and all the negative faults with my birthplace, she'll always be apart of me.

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This is pretty much how I feel.

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Stuff I've written
*For the wretched of the earth, there a flame that never dies
Even the darkest night will end and the sun will rise*

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The Highlander Folk School was a Communist front, having been founded by Myles Horton (Communist Party organizer for Tennessee) and Don West (Communist Party organizer for North Carolina). The leaders of this meeting with King were the aforementioned Horton and West, along with Abner Berry and James Dumbrowski, all open and acknowledged members of the Communist Party, USA.

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Rustin attended the 16th Convention of the Communist Party, USA in February, 1957.

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Although I don't trust your source at all, I will acknowledge that communism played a role in the civil rights movement. Since the early 1900's blacks have faced ever-present debate of: Booker T. or Du Bois? Submission to white oppression or retaliation? And if retaliation, then where exists the line between reasonable and radical? Communism was an easy philosophy to turn to, not because activists were un-American, but because it was a philosophy that abolishes racial differences.  
"I Never Met a Black Person Who Was in the Communist Party Because of the Soviet Union:" Jack O'Dell.
King created a new alternative way for social change without violence and radicalism, thus broadening the methods for social change.
Although King had communist supporters, that shouldn't mean that he aimed to dismantle American society in order to give blacks a better place, as your site is insinuating, with its references to radical Robert F. Williams, and the selected quotes used to represent King.
Surely he had the power and influence to be the frightening black communist that so many whites in power wanted to paint him as, but he didn't us it for such.  
The greatness of Dr. King is he preached that democracy too could welcome blacks, if blacks were willing to fight for a fair democracy. Thus creating the needed niche between Du Bois and Washington that would finally perpetuate social change in the States.
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Also, Marxist=/= communist. You can have Marxist theories in America without being accused of communism...

I refuse to read and/or try to disprove the rest of your post, because it's copied from an unreliable site obviously intent on slaughtering King's image.
Also, you really shouldn't be going around saying things like

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Micheal King (Martin Luther King Jr's real name) was a communist.

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Post edited at 2:14 pm on Sep. 2, 2008 by whoareyou

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Abner Berry has been connected to the Communist Party, but the other names are not "all open and acknowledged members of the Communist Party, USA."

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Can you find another source for this? Because according to all my sources, Rustin left the Communist Party in 1941 when he met Philip Randolph, an African American trade union leader who strongly opposed communism.

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Although I don't trust your source at all, I will acknowledge that communism played a role in the civil rights movement. Since the early 1900's blacks have faced ever-present debate of: Booker T. or Du Bois? Submission to white oppression or retaliation? And if retaliation, then where exists the line between reasonable and radical? Communism was an easy philosophy to turn to, not because activists were un-American, but because it was a philosophy that abolishes racial differences.

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Although King had communist supporters, that shouldn't mean that he aimed to dismantle American society in order to give blacks a better place, as your site is insinuating, with its references to radical Robert F. Williams, and the selected quotes used to represent King.

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It's on public record that King was, if nothing else, affiliated with known communists. In fact, both John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy told King to sever all ties with communists. King defied their requests and was subsequently placed under surveillance by the FBI, as per Robert F. Kennedy's orders.

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Surely he had the power and influence to be the frightening black communist that so many whites in power wanted to paint him as, but he didn't us it for such.

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King openly admitted in his own book, "Why We Can't Wait," and in an article written for Saturday Review, that inciting people to violence is the key to success of the civil rights march. King stated:

"Long years of experience indicate to us that Negroes can achieve this goal when four things occur:

1. Nonviolent demonstrators go into the streets to exercise their Constitutional rights.

2. Racists resist by unleashing violence against them.

3. Americans of conscience in the name of decency demand federal intervention and legislation.

4. The Administration, under mass pressure, initiates measures of immediate intervention and remedial legislation."

(ML King, Jr., "Behind the Selma March", Saturday Review, April 3, 1965, pp. 16, 17; 57.)

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The greatness of Dr. King is he preached that democracy too could welcome blacks, if blacks were willing to fight for a fair democracy. Thus creating the needed niche between Du Bois and Washington that would finally perpetuate social change in the States.

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This is probably the most repeated myth about King. Writing on National Review Online, There Heritage Foundation's Matthew Spalding wrote a piece entitled "Martin Luther King's Conservative Mind," where he wrote, "An agenda that advocates quotas, counting by race and set-asides takes us away from King's vision."

The problem with this view is that King openly advocated quotas and racial set-asides. He wrote that the "Negro today is not struggling for some abstract, vague rights, but for concrete improvement in his way of life." When equal opportunity laws failed to achieve this, King looked for other ways. In his book Where Do We Go From Here, he suggested that "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." To do this he expressed support for quotas. In a 1968 Playboy interview, he said, "If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population.

King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can't Wait, he wrote,
"No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries...Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law. "

Predicting that critics would note that many whites were equally disadvantaged, King claimed that his program, which he called the "Bill of Rights for the Disadvantaged" would help poor whites as well. This is because once the blacks received reparations, the poor whites would realize that their real enemy was rich whites.

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Also, Marxist=/= communist. You can have Marxist theories in America without being accused of communism...

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I refuse to read and/or try to disprove the rest of your post, because it's copied from an unreliable site obviously intent on slaughtering King's image.

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Try: "in my opinion..."

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I can't wait till 2027 when his private file is released. THEN you'll know that info about King that will "ruin his reputation". Silly FBI surveillance tapes...

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

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King was closely aligned with known members of the communist party. There are mountains of evidence to support the fact that King had both direct and indirect ties to known Communist Party members. In fact, one of his closest advisers, Stanley Levison, was a known member of the Communist Party.

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Asserting King's political theories, how do the aforementioned make him a communist threat? King figured out what it takes to make social change. Is it his fault that the black community could only be heard when it was unarguable that racists were mistreating them horribly? The government was too comfortable enough with turning the other cheek to react unless provoked with obvious proof of human rights breechings.

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He wanted only equality?

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It's not an opinion. King admitted to being a Marxist and had ties with many Communists.

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