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Replies: 15Last Post Aug. 2, 2008 1:54pm by King Kong
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The following is a conversation between a Science Professor and a student.

"You are a Christian, aren't you son?"

"Yes sir", the student says.

"So you believe in God?

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God is good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I am evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Lets say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you are good."

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?"‚ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

"Lets start again, young fella. Is God good?"

"Er‚ yes", the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student falters. "From God."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"

"Yes."

"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."

Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them? There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me, he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The students voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."

The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him."

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir, I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"

"Nothing, the student replies. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith", the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student sat down.


Just trying to create some  civilized conversation on the above piece of writing.


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I like this, and it is so very true. Well done.

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Evil is good in the sense it creates balance.

But I don't belive in God or Jesus or Satan.

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Oh, the fine line between science and faith.

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I have always thought that. God created everything he must have created the devil. He had to have created the devil. Why would he???

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i hate religion.
that teacher is just stating the obvious to me.

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First and only real issue I can see here. Prof. uses a human standard of good. If Jehovah as the god in this discussion is the standard by which we assess good and bad, everything Jehovah does is good because Jehovah's the one doing it.

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Quote: from deaths door14 at 3:23 am on July 31, 2008

i hate religion.
that teacher is just stating the obvious to me.

Well, I did not write this. A friend sent me this and I thought it was very well done and wanted to share it. The Science teacher was Atheist so yeah he was stating the obvious.  


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Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:25 am on July 31, 2008

First and only real issue I can see here. Prof. uses a human standard of good. If Jehovah as the god in this discussion is the standard by which we assess good and bad, everything Jehovah does is good because Jehovah's the one doing it.
I wish to argue with this point but I am in Innsbruck in an internet cafe with little time to spare. I return to the fair isle I call home on Thursday (next). If you wish to hear my argument remind me then.

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 3:28 am on July 31, 2008

Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:25 am on July 31, 2008

First and only real issue I can see here. Prof. uses a human standard of good. If Jehovah as the god in this discussion is the standard by which we assess good and bad, everything Jehovah does is good because Jehovah's the one doing it.
I wish to argue with this point but I am in Innsbruck in an internet cafe with little time to spare. I return to the fair isle I call home on Thursday (next). If you wish to hear my argument remind me then.

I'll do my best to remember.

(I just realized. Thursday next I'll be on your continent for the first time in my life. Edit: And Britain besides.)

Post edited at 3:36 am on July 31, 2008 by Shaknbake


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Quote: from deaths door14 at 5:23 am on July 31, 2008

i hate religion.
that teacher is just stating the obvious to me.

What's obvious is that the professor has used this argument many times and the student has never been confronted with it. Several of his responses are incorrect.

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I hate chain letters. Depending on the bias of the author, the Christian or atheist protagonist acts like a complete moron.

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Quote: from SpM at 12:08 pm on July 31, 2008

I hate chain letters. Depending on the bias of the author, the Christian or atheist protagonist acts like a complete moron.

At least this one didn't involve a magical piece of chalk...

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:24 am on July 31, 2008

Quote: from SpM at 12:08 pm on July 31, 2008

I hate chain letters. Depending on the bias of the author, the Christian or atheist protagonist acts like a complete moron.

At least this one didn't involve a magical piece of chalk...


No shit.

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