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Not only was the Holocaust an atrocity, it was just stupid.
Replies: 54Last Post July 18, 2008 6:27pm by dooby54
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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 11:48 pm on July 17, 2008

Think about it. Hitler was a fool as a tactician and as a leader. He decided to attack his own population, which not only wastes a potential workforce and valuable resource, but you have to spend more on the upkeep of soldiers to do the job, when they could also be needed somewhere else, and the upkeep of the prisoners, which no matter how small it could be, still adds up when we are talking millions. Not to mention, he was killing off his own potential extra soldier reserves, which could've tipped the war in Germany's favor.

In conclusion; from someone who loves Germany.  

GG Hitler, you lose, ftl. Fucking dumbshit Austrian.


Hilter was one of the most charismatic leader of his time. In the wake of WWI and Germany's economic meltdown, he was able to reinvigorate his people.

You should really just stick to the "Hilter sucks because he's responsible for the Holocaust" argument. The "bad leader" argument really doesn't work in this case.

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Uh. Hitler was a pretty good leader if you take out the whole crazy 'Kill all the Jews' part.

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Quote: from fouad at 11:49 pm on July 17, 2008

THE HOLOCAUST IS A LIE.. I DENY IT
this is a fellony in Germany, the place where it all started. still want to deny it? auschwits is very real, you can visit it. it still reeks of death.

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Hitler's biggest mistake, in my opinion, was the treatment of the Slavs in the parts of the Soviet Union the Germans captured. The Ukrainians hated Stalin vehemently for his insistence on collective farming through force and starvation, and would have been useful to help bolster the German war effort against the Soviet Union. However, instead he treated them as he believed Slavs should be treated - as second class citizens, and thus they wound up despising Hitler even more than Stalin. Hitler wouldn't have had to even treat them with respect to get these guys to join his side - rather, with some propaganda involved, he could have used them as cannon fodder on the frontlines.

Although attacking one's own population in the way Hitler did seems obviously dumb in our view, you must see it from the Nazi perspective. The Nazis tended to regard Jews as Slavs (who were believed to be second class to Aryans) and as communists. It was widely believed in Germany at this time that the First World War was lost due to the Jews and that the Jews would lose them this one if they didn't do something about them - hence, from the Nazi perspective, rounding up the Jews and shipping them off to camps would have seemed necessary and stupid not to do so.

In hindsight and from our viewpoint, yes, very stupid. However, you must keep in mind that there are more perspectives than just your own.

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Quote: from iinsurgent at 4:49 pm on July 18, 2008

I like the mustache, though. The mustache was a win.

Rofl I love it

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Quote: from BlueAutomatic at 11:54 pm on July 17, 2008

Uh. Hitler was a pretty good leader if you take out the whole crazy 'Kill all the Jews' part.

it wasn't just killing the jews

supposedly 11-12 million civilians died by the end of the war
only around 6 million were jews

and i don't even want to think about how many soldiers died....

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Quote: from carracer at 7:55 am on July 18, 2008

Quote: from BlueAutomatic at 11:54 pm on July 17, 2008

Uh. Hitler was a pretty good leader if you take out the whole crazy 'Kill all the Jews' part.
 

it wasn't just killing the jews  

supposedly 11-12 million civilians died by the end of the war  
only around 6 million were jews  

and i don't even want to think about how many soldiers died....


Yes, I know. Half makes it predominantly Jews, which is why I just said Jews and not 'Jews, Blacks, Disabled etc.'

And the amount of deaths =/= holocaust.

Post edited at 11:59 pm on July 17, 2008 by BlueAutomatic

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Quote: from fouad at 11:49 pm on July 17, 2008

THE HOLOCAUST IS A LIE.. I DENY IT

I honestly hope to any G-d which is in existence that you die a very painful and slow death. You have no idea wtf you are saying. You are as much of a retard as Mel Gibson and he is a substantial retard. Go to poland, go see Auschwitz, Treblinka etc. there are so many DEATH camps, so many concentration camps, so many fucking hours of testimonies and sooo many tatoos. You are the epitome of ignorance and all that it takes for something like the holocaust to happen again. There is no word in the english language with which to classify you. All I can say is that i'm sorry you can make such an ass of yourself and still not feel embaressed. I feel embaressed for you. Get some culture and knowledge you redneck fuck head

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Quote: from carracer at 4:55 pm on July 18, 2008

Quote: from BlueAutomatic at 11:54 pm on July 17, 2008

Uh. Hitler was a pretty good leader if you take out the whole crazy 'Kill all the Jews' part.

it wasn't just killing the jews

supposedly 11-12 million civilians died by the end of the war
only around 6 million were jews

and i don't even want to think about how many soldiers died....


Only 6million?

He wiped out almost half the Jewish population of the world through his "final solution".

Soldiers died because they thought they were fighting for the right country.

6 million Jews died simple because they were Jewish

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Quote: from fouad at 4:49 pm on July 18, 2008

THE HOLOCAUST IS A LIE.. I DENY IT
and youre from lebanon.

yeh hitler made some pretty stupid errors but his primary goal was to destroy all jews which he made a very large profit from. he used them for slave labour whilst feeding them minimal food and they even worked out the most economical way to kill the jews so that a larger profit was made.

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Quote: from fouad at 4:49 pm on July 18, 2008

THE HOLOCAUST IS A LIE.. I DENY IT
Typical scum piece of shit comment from Lebanese filth!! Why don't you go celebrate the return of your 'heroes'. FUCKWIT!!!!

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Jesus Christ, rather than tell the guy he's an idiot for denying the holocaust, why not actually prove him that he's wrong and give him a few references?  You all just wind up making asses and idiots of yourselves otherwise.

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Quote: from Bud2400 at 12:13 am on July 18, 2008

Jesus Christ, rather than tell the guy he's an idiot for denying the holocaust, why not actually prove him that he's wrong and give him a few references? You all just wind up making asses and idiots of yourselves otherwise.

Good idea

but i think we also understand that this is a topic people get heated about
so they start with insults
due to natural instinct

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Quote: from carracer at 12:14 am on July 18, 2008

Good idea

but i think we also understand that this is a topic people get heated about
so they start with insults
due to natural instinct



There are things about the holocaust that are certainly worth being skeptical over, and as such, the holocaust should be able to face the skepticism and prevail time and time again.

It's worthwhile reacting to such skepticism not with emotions and judgment, but rather, through clear-headedness and understanding.  Often times, holocaust deniers feel the need to deny the holocaust even more by the fact that they're attacked when they deny it and not given a fair refutation.


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Quote: from Bud2400 at 5:13 pm on July 18, 2008

Jesus Christ, rather than tell the guy he's an idiot for denying the holocaust, why not actually prove him that he's wrong and give him a few references?  You all just wind up making asses and idiots of yourselves otherwise.

There is evidence all over the world. Testimonies from many survivors who are still alive. Camps in Poland and surrounding areas and death camps such as auschwitz that still smell of the murders that took place there. German documentation, footage etc

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