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The existence of a metaphysical being isn't something that one person can prove to another, particulary when the other doesn't want to believe. The reverse is true as well, naturally...if someone wants to believe, there is nothing that anyone can say or do to convince them that they are incorrect.

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But this isn't Terry Pratchett's Discworld. Things don't just exist by believing in them.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 8:27 am on July 24, 2008

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The existence of a metaphysical being isn't something that one person can prove to another, particulary when the other doesn't want to believe. The reverse is true as well, naturally...if someone wants to believe, there is nothing that anyone can say or do to convince them that they are incorrect.

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But this isn't Terry Pratchett's Discworld. Things don't just exist by believing in them.

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I never said that they did, did I?

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Let yourself be enchanted,
You just might break through
To ever ever after

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Quote: from morik at 11:40 am on July 24, 2008

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 8:27 am on July 24, 2008

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The existence of a metaphysical being isn't something that one person can prove to another, particulary when the other doesn't want to believe. The reverse is true as well, naturally...if someone wants to believe, there is nothing that anyone can say or do to convince them that they are incorrect.

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 But this isn't Terry Pratchett's Discworld. Things don't just exist by believing in them.

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I never said that they did, did I?

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What if the person wants to believe but doesn't?

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Mankind shall never be truly free
until the last king is hanged with the guts of the last priest. -Voltaire

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What if the person wants to believe but doesn't?

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Then I'd say that they want more than to believe, not necessarily something that should be valued, either.

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Let yourself be enchanted,
You just might break through
To ever ever after

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 3:23 pm on July 24, 2008

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What about things that are unexplainable like witchcraft and ghosts. These supernatural things are all things thqat can never be explained by science or anything for that matter, besides a higher being. An afterlife. Something bigger than us. Something out there beyond us humans. Something like... God.

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Witchcraft and ghosts are based on the same basis of religion, belief. There is no proof for the existence of Ghosts or witchcraft yet I am unable to prove that they do not exist, because these things are beyond our world. I have a magical genie right next to me, made entirely of gold, yet he is invisible so you will not be able to see him. I am not insane am i?

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Quote: from B E K at 6:42 pm on July 23, 2008

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Shut the fuck up, haven't you ever heard of faith?  

 God damn bitch, I hope you rot.

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I have heard of faith, and think it is a waste of time.

I will rot by the way, after I die! And so will you, after you die.

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physacly yet but who is to say spiruatly

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Doctor who - Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey!
used to show time travel's effects.

Christmas avatars FTW

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There are whole religions based off of witchcraft. Since the dawn of time there have been pagans who's religion is based off of witchcraft. How can it not be real. And Ghosts? There have been million of sightings of them, shows based off of them, movies, and books. So stop trying to act like you have the whole world figures out, you are sadly mistaken. =]

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Which religions have existed since the dawn of time that were based on witchcraft?

Furthermore, just because people have believed in something for a long time doesn't necessarily mean it's real; a lot of mythologies were simply means of explaining things that early humans didn't have the technology to understand.

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Let yourself be enchanted,
You just might break through
To ever ever after

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 1:50 pm on July 24, 2008

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There are whole religions based off of witchcraft. Since the dawn of time there have been pagans who's religion is based off of witchcraft. How can it not be real. And Ghosts? There have been million of sightings of them, shows based off of them, movies, and books. So stop trying to act like you have the whole world figures out, you are sadly mistaken. =]

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Which religions have existed since the dawn of time that were based on witchcraft?

Furthermore, just because people have believed in something for a long time doesn't necessarily mean it's real; a lot of mythologies were simply means of explaining things that early humans didn't have the technology to understand.

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ALSO: Wicca was started in the 1950's

Post edited at 11:37 am on July 24, 2008 by TheOtherHorseman

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Paganism isn't based on shit. Paganism is a categorization of religions much like "pantheism" is.

ALSO: Wicca was started in the 1950's

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:35 pm on July 24, 2008

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Paganism isn't based on shit. Paganism is a categorization of religions much like "pantheism" is.  

 ALSO: Wicca was started in the 1950's

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Okay....Smart ass 2,  Where did I ever say Wicca was as old as Paganism? I mentioned Wicca because they are all based on witchcraft. Read up a little more on world religions before you try to get a irrelevant point across. =]

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Here is the question:
Which religions have existed since the dawn of time that were based on witchcraft?

You said Paganism and Wicca.

Since Paganism isn't a religion, but rather a broad categorization that links together a number of unrelated religions from all over the world, the language you use when discussing it is a little confusing.

Try to read up a little on words and what they mean before you try to come off as self-important on the internet.

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"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 2:45 pm on July 24, 2008

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:35 pm on July 24, 2008

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Paganism isn't based on shit. Paganism is a categorization of religions much like "pantheism" is.  

  ALSO: Wicca was started in the 1950's

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Okay....Smart ass 2,  Where did I ever say Wicca was as old as Paganism? I mentioned Wicca because they are all based on witchcraft. Read up a little more on world religions before you try to get a irrelevant point across. =]

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Here is the question:
 Which religions have existed since the dawn of time that were based on witchcraft?

You said Paganism and Wicca.

Since Paganism isn't a religion, but rather a broad categorization that links together a number of unrelated religions from all over the world, the language you use when discussing it is a little confusing.

Try to read up a little on words and what they mean before you try to come off as self-important on the internet.

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P.S Because I know you and your internet lover are going to want to see proof here are sources:

http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/witchcraftwhatisit.html

http://www.witchcraft-magick.com/world.html

http://www.prntrkmt.org/religion/witchcraft.html


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Fuuck what yo mama say,, Imma vote Obama way!

Personally I think the Buddhists got it right with reincarnation, but that's just me. Either way, the existence of God/Afterlife/Whatever is not worthy of discussion because it can neither be proved nor disproved if it exists outside our supposed realm - obviously.

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