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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 10:17 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:48 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 2:45 pm on July 24, 2008

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Paganism isn't based on shit. Paganism is a categorization of religions much like "pantheism" is.  

  ALSO: Wicca was started in the 1950's


Okay....Smart ass 2, Where did I ever say Wicca was as old as Paganism? I mentioned Wicca because they are all based on witchcraft. Read up a little more on world religions before you try to get a irrelevant point across. =]

 

 Here is the question:  
  Which religions have existed since the dawn of time that were based on witchcraft?  

 You said Paganism and Wicca.  

 Since Paganism isn't a religion, but rather a broad categorization that links together a number of unrelated religions from all over the world, the language you use when discussing it is a little confusing.  

 Try to read up a little on words and what they mean before you try to come off as self-important on the internet.


Okay paganism is a lot more broad than I thought it was, but little do you realize, you just further proved my point. That proves that there are even more religions out there that base their beliefs off of witchcraft. Witchcraft is actually the oldest known religion.
There are people in Africa who practice witch craft. People in Asia who practice witchcraft. For goodness sakes, there are people in America who do it! There are people all over the world who have witnessed it. How can it not be true? Friends of mine have even seen witchcraft practiced. You just don't want to believe that something else is out there. When things can't be explained by some equation or by some type of logic people like you (and your other butt-buddy) dismiss it as all of it being false. Sorry you can't wrap your brain around God being real.  

P.S Because I know you and your internet lover are going to want to see proof here are sources:

http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/witchcraftwhatisit.html

http://www.witchcraft-magick.com/world.html

http://www.prntrkmt.org/religion/witchcraft.html


I love how when people are trying to escape a pwning, they start making assumptions that are completely and totally kooky, like that their opponent rapes puppies or dresses drag on Tuesday nights.

To keep this on topic: witchcraft is not a religion. Paganism is not a religion. You are a fluffy bunny. Your sites are fluffier than marshmallow peeps. You need to go here and keep reading this stuff until it sinks into your squishy skull.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 10:59 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 10:17 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:48 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 2:45 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:35 pm on July 24, 2008

Paganism isn't based on shit. Paganism is a categorization of religions much like "pantheism" is.    

    ALSO: Wicca was started in the 1950's


Okay....Smart ass 2,  Where did I ever say Wicca was as old as Paganism? I mentioned Wicca because they are all based on witchcraft. Read up a little more on world religions before you try to get a irrelevant point across. =]

 

  Here is the question:  
   Which religions have existed since the dawn of time that were based on witchcraft?  

  You said Paganism and Wicca.  

  Since Paganism isn't a religion, but rather a broad categorization that links together a number of unrelated religions from all over the world, the language you use when discussing it is a little confusing.  

  Try to read up a little on words and what they mean before you try to come off as self-important on the internet.


Okay paganism is a lot more broad than I thought it was, but little do you realize, you just further proved my point. That proves that there are even more religions out there that base their beliefs off of witchcraft. Witchcraft is actually the oldest known religion.  
 There are people in Africa who practice witch craft. People in Asia who practice witchcraft. For goodness sakes, there are people in America who do it! There are people all over the world who have witnessed  it. How can it not be true? Friends of mine have even seen witchcraft practiced. You just don't want to believe that something else is out there. When things can't be explained by some equation or by some type of logic people like you (and your other butt-buddy) dismiss it as all of it being false. Sorry you can't wrap your brain around God being real.  

 P.S Because I know you and your internet lover are going to want to see proof here are sources:  

 http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/witchcraftwhatisit.html  

 http://www.witchcraft-magick.com/world.html  

 http://www.prntrkmt.org/religion/witchcraft.html  
 


I love how when people are trying to escape a pwning, they start making assumptions that are completely and totally kooky, like that their opponent rapes puppies or dresses drag on Tuesday nights.

To keep this on topic: witchcraft is not a religion. Paganism is not a religion. You are a fluffy bunny. Your sites are fluffier than marshmallow peeps. You need to go here and keep reading this stuff until it sinks into your squishy skull.


What are you 10? This is forum site, not a children's book. Stop saying stupid shit like "fluffy" and "bunny". And just for saying that, now I officially think of you as  psychopath. Congrats! This is a rather rare occasion.

And my sites are "fluffy"? I gave you 3 popular sites. You gave me one site that you probably just made as an alternative to Myspace. And what does your site prove?  That people have misconceptions about witchcraft, cool? It still doesn't disprove that it doesn't exist.  You said you were keeping on topic but this wayy off topic. I honestly don't understand why the hell you gave me this damn website......


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I was taught that paganism=/=witchcraft. If I remember right, the term pagan comes from ancient Latium, referring to those living in more rural areas.

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Paganism has different meanings, none of which deal specifically with witchcraft.

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Prove Gravity.
I mean actual, physical, 100% concrete proof.

Prove we're in "The Matrix".
I mean actual, physical, 100% concrete proof.

Prove the sun will rise tomorrow.
I mean actual, physical, 100% concrete proof.

With a yes, or no answer, answer me this:
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 1:17 pm on July 25, 2008Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 10:59 pm on July 24, 2008Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 10:17 pm on July 24, 2008Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:48 pm on July 24, 2008Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 2:45 pm on July 24, 2008Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:35 pm on July 24, 2008Paganism isn't based on shit. Paganism is a categorization of religions much like "pantheism" is.      

     ALSO: Wicca was started in the 1950'sOkay....Smart ass 2,  Where did I ever say Wicca was as old as Paganism? I mentioned Wicca because they are all based on witchcraft. Read up a little more on world religions before you try to get a irrelevant point across. =]    

   Here is the question:    
    Which religions have existed since the dawn of time that were based on witchcraft?    

   You said Paganism and Wicca.    

   Since Paganism isn't a religion, but rather a broad categorization that links together a number of unrelated religions from all over the world, the language you use when discussing it is a little confusing.    

   Try to read up a little on words and what they mean before you try to come off as self-important on the internet. Okay paganism is a lot more broad than I thought it was, but little do you realize, you just further proved my point. That proves that there are even more religions out there that base their beliefs off of witchcraft. Witchcraft is actually the oldest known religion.  
  There are people in Africa who practice witch craft. People in Asia who practice witchcraft. For goodness sakes, there are people in America who do it! There are people all over the world who have witnessed  it. How can it not be true? Friends of mine have even seen witchcraft practiced. You just don't want to believe that something else is out there. When things can't be explained by some equation or by some type of logic people like you (and your other butt-buddy) dismiss it as all of it being false. Sorry you can't wrap your brain around God being real.    

  P.S Because I know you and your internet lover are going to want to see proof here are sources:  

  http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/witchcraftwhatisit.html  

  http://www.witchcraft-magick.com/world.html  

  http://www.prntrkmt.org/religion/witchcraft.html  
   

 I love how when people are trying to escape a pwning, they start making assumptions that are completely and totally kooky, like that their opponent rapes puppies or dresses drag on Tuesday nights.  

 To keep this on topic: witchcraft is not a religion. Paganism is not a religion. You are a fluffy bunny. Your sites are fluffier than marshmallow peeps. You need to go here and keep reading this stuff until it sinks into your squishy skull.  


What are you 10? This is forum site, not a children's book. Stop saying stupid shit like "fluffy" and "bunny".
I believe that the inclusion of the words 'fluffy' and 'bunny' was made in reference to you.

And just for saying that, now I officially think of you as  psychopath. Congrats! This is a rather rare occasion.  
You're not particularly good at patronising. Also, I doubt he cares whether you think he's a psychopath or not.


And my sites are "fluffy"? I gave you 3 popular sites. You gave me one site that you probably just made as an alternative to Myspace. And what does your site prove?  That people have misconceptions about witchcraft, cool? It still doesn't disprove that it doesn't exist.  You said you were keeping on topic but this wayy off topic. I honestly don't understand why the hell you gave me this damn website......  
Yes, your sites are fluffy, meaning that they are trivial, silly... really, 'fluffy' is the best word to describe them. But since you seem to be above such childish words, here:
asinine
juvenile
ludicrous
unsubstantial
Have you ever been on Myspace? As far as I can tell, the site posted wasn't a social networking site, and it also made some very valid points, which you have evidently missed.
The point was never to disprove witchcraft/paganism, and you seem to have taken this topic as a personal attack directed at your own beliefs. I should also point out that the popularity of a site doesn't make it any more valid than any other crappy site.


There are people all over the world who have witnessed  it. How can it not be true? Friends of mine have even seen witchcraft practiced. You just don't want to believe that something else is out there.
Hey, I've seen people practicing Christianity - I'm a Christian myself. I recently went to World Youth Day and saw half a million other people praying, yet am I in a position to say, "How can it not be true?!"?

When things can't be explained by some equation or by some type of logic people like you (and your other butt-buddy) dismiss it as all of it being false.
*re-read this!*

Sorry you can't wrap your brain around God being real.
You said yourself that 'things' (God, religion, etc) couldn't be explained by equations or logic, and at the next turn you're chastising people for being unable to wrap their brains around something that can't be logically proven.


But in answer to the OP, you really can't actually, physically, literally, concretely, properly, completely prove anything 100%. The same applies to the concept of a metaphysical being. Can God be proven or disproved? To the best of our knowledge, he can certainly be disproved, but it's impossible to be certain. There's also the fact that the Christian God has never been considered a physical entity (discounting Jesus Christ - though there are plenty of arguments that could spin out of that), so physical proof is impossible.

Also, from the post preview I think that my quotes have gone haywire. Oh well.

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 1:17 pm on July 25, 2008

Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 10:59 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 10:17 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:48 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 2:45 pm on July 24, 2008

Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:35 pm on July 24, 2008

Paganism isn't based on shit. Paganism is a categorization of religions much like "pantheism" is.      

     ALSO: Wicca was started in the 1950's


Okay....Smart ass 2,  Where did I ever say Wicca was as old as Paganism? I mentioned Wicca because they are all based on witchcraft. Read up a little more on world religions before you try to get a irrelevant point across. =]

   

   Here is the question:    
    Which religions have existed since the dawn of time that were based on witchcraft?    

   You said Paganism and Wicca.    

   Since Paganism isn't a religion, but rather a broad categorization that links together a number of unrelated religions from all over the world, the language you use when discussing it is a little confusing.    

   Try to read up a little on words and what they mean before you try to come off as self-important on the internet.


Okay paganism is a lot more broad than I thought it was, but little do you realize, you just further proved my point. That proves that there are even more religions out there that base their beliefs off of witchcraft. Witchcraft is actually the oldest known religion.  
  There are people in Africa who practice witch craft. People in Asia who practice witchcraft. For goodness sakes, there are people in America who do it! There are people all over the world who have witnessed  it. How can it not be true? Friends of mine have even seen witchcraft practiced. You just don't want to believe that something else is out there. When things can't be explained by some equation or by some type of logic people like you (and your other butt-buddy) dismiss it as all of it being false. Sorry you can't wrap your brain around God being real.    

  P.S Because I know you and your internet lover are going to want to see proof here are sources:  

  http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/witchcraftwhatisit.html  

  http://www.witchcraft-magick.com/world.html  

  http://www.prntrkmt.org/religion/witchcraft.html  
 


 

 I love how when people are trying to escape a pwning, they start making assumptions that are completely and totally kooky, like that their opponent rapes puppies or dresses drag on Tuesday nights.  

 To keep this on topic: witchcraft is not a religion. Paganism is not a religion. You are a fluffy bunny. Your sites are fluffier than marshmallow peeps. You need to go here and keep reading this stuff until it sinks into your squishy skull.


What are you 10? This is forum site, not a children's book. Stop saying stupid shit like "fluffy" and "bunny". And just for saying that, now I officially think of you as  psychopath. Congrats! This is a rather rare occasion.

And my sites are "fluffy"? I gave you 3 popular sites. You gave me one site that you probably just made as an alternative to Myspace. And what does your site prove?  That people have misconceptions about witchcraft, cool? It still doesn't disprove that it doesn't exist.  You said you were keeping on topic but this wayy off topic. I honestly don't understand why the hell you gave me this damn website......

 
Are you high?



What are you 10? This is forum site, not a children's book. Stop saying stupid shit like "fluffy" and "bunny".

I believe that the inclusion of the words 'fluffy' and 'bunny' was made in reference to you.

And just for saying that, now I officially think of you as  psychopath. Congrats! This is a rather rare occasion.  

You're not particularly good at patronising. Also, I doubt he cares whether you think he's a psychopath or not.


And my sites are "fluffy"? I gave you 3 popular sites. You gave me one site that you probably just made as an alternative to Myspace. And what does your site prove?  That people have misconceptions about witchcraft, cool? It still doesn't disprove that it doesn't exist.  You said you were keeping on topic but this wayy off topic. I honestly don't understand why the hell you gave me this damn website......  

Yes, your sites are fluffy, meaning that they are trivial, silly... really, 'fluffy' is the best word to describe them. But since you seem to be above such childish words, here:
asinine
juvenile
ludicrous
unsubstantial
Have you ever been on Myspace? As far as I can tell, the site posted wasn't a social networking site, and it also made some very valid points, which you have evidently missed.
The point was never to disprove witchcraft/paganism, and you seem to have taken this topic as a personal attack directed at your own beliefs. I should also point out that the popularity of a site doesn't make it any more valid than any other crappy site.


There are people all over the world who have witnessed  it. How can it not be true? Friends of mine have even seen witchcraft practiced. You just don't want to believe that something else is out there.

Hey, I've seen people practicing Christianity - I'm a Christian myself. I recently went to World Youth Day and saw half a million other people praying, yet am I in a position to say, "How can it not be true?!"? No one ever denied that people practice witchcraft.

When things can't be explained by some equation or by some type of logic people like you (and your other butt-buddy) dismiss it as all of it being false.

*re-read this!*

Sorry you can't wrap your brain around God being real.

You said yourself that 'things' (God, religion, etc) couldn't be explained by equations or logic, and at the next turn you're chastising people for being unable to wrap their brains around something that can't be logically proven.

But in answer to the OP, you really can't actually, physically, literally, concretely, properly, completely prove anything 100%. The same applies to the concept of a metaphysical being. Can God be proven or disproved? To the best of our knowledge, he can certainly be disproved, but it's impossible to be certain. There's also the fact that the Christian God has never been considered a physical entity (discounting Jesus Christ - though there are plenty of arguments that could spin out of that), so physical proof is impossible.

EDIT: Quotes fixed now?

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playboy, did you even look at the site that I provided for you?

Furthermore, do you even know what a fluffbunny is?

*grumbles about dumbass kids*

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No point proving something that you dont even have faith for...


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There is no proof. Just faith.

If you can't accept that, tough love.


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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 7:41 am on July 25, 2008

playboy, did you even look at the site that I provided for you?

Furthermore, do you even know what a fluffbunny is?

*grumbles about dumbass kids*


Yes, and yes. First off, like I said before, I don't know why you gave me your stupid-ass site. All it's talking about is a.) misconceptions that lie within people who practice witchcraft and b.) Misconceptions that Christians have about witchcraft.

I never claimed to be a witch, all I said is that it could be used as proof as God's existence. Also, I never claimed to be a Christian, I claimed to believe in God. Stop making assumptions about people and bombarding them whenever their opinions don't line -up with yours.

P.S. I do know what a fluff bunny is. But I think the turn is rather outdated and the last time I heard it used was by an 11 year old.

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You can't even prove your own existence. Gosh.

What a pointless topic.  You can't actually expect to get  a good answer here.

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 7:46 pm on July 25, 2008

Yes, and yes. First off, like I said before, I don't know why you gave me your stupid-ass site. All it's talking about is a.) misconceptions that lie within people who practice witchcraft and b.) Misconceptions that Christians have about witchcraft.

I never claimed to be a witch, all I said is that it could be used as proof as God's existence. Also, I never claimed to be a Christian, I claimed to believe in God. Stop making assumptions about people and bombarding them whenever their opinions don't line -up with yours.  

P.S. I do know what a fluff bunny is. But I think the turn is rather outdated and the last time I heard it used was by an 11 year old.


LMAO.

1. The site is not addressing Christians. It is addressing fluffbunnies--like you.

2. If you know what a fluffbunny is, what is it?

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Quote: from Lil Luva at 6:44 pm on July 23, 2008

the bible and lets just put it this way-id rather believe in god and not have him be real then not believe and have him not be real you know what im saying

Bible=/=concrete proof.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:41 pm on July 25, 2008

playboy, did you even look at the site that I provided for you?

Furthermore, do you even know what a fluffbunny is?

*grumbles about dumbass kids*



Oops, you're female. See, I never bothered to actually check who was posting when I quoted.

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